Resurrection

    Few days ago I got delema with some players about Resurrection. And now I want ask exp players those opinion about this situation.

    And ofc that players told me "how about ask forum" so here it is. (some kind of drama)


    Dredgion runs, premade group. Party: cleric, chanter, gladiator, sm, sorcer, ranger.

    1. Who must resurrect cleric if he dead?

    2. Who must resurrect cleric if he hasnt ress buff on himself and chanter/bard are dead too?

    Its about white ressurection stone. Not about orange that hasnt cast time.


    In my opinion supports must resurect clerics cuz they have skills for that, they have casting speed buffs and weapons with casting speed.

    If all supports are dead - that means all team will die in 99%.

    But I got words like

    -"u must ressurect cleric".

    Me, who playing ranger and getting brake cast even with focused shots when I getting auto attack by sin or ranger or gladi. In my opinion this is stupid.

    Ofc I tried to explain my opinion to them, but they dont care. And some of them told me like

    - "your words bl...ht, I playing 10 years and I know better"

    Playing 10 years and doesnt know about cast brake... well that happens.


    So, exp players (with big time of playing) can u share your opinion, tell us how u doing in your runs. Who must resurrect cleric if supports alive, and who must resurrect cleric if all supports are dead?

    Thx for your time



    note: when u create character u can see basic atributes: health, power,knowlege etc and WILL.

    That atribute, WILL - he give opportunity to not get cast brake. In past as I remember I could brake cast just by auto attacks. But some classes get brake cast after 1 hit, and some classes can get few hits before cast brake. I remember that very good and in past that consider even resurection stone. I dont know how its work atm but when I told that to players - they start laugh.

    So questions is - tell what u know about this and your opinion about this atribute

    Edited once, last by Ydri ().

    1: If cleric is dead and chanter lives, Chanter resses Cleric.

    2: If Cleric and Chanter are both dead, weakest dps who isnt being targetted should ress. (imo)

    Chanter if he isn't focused by others.

    If he is then i don't see problem in any dps ressing the cler. Personally [as assassin] i get to use ress stone on cleric quite a few times

    Quote from Zergie

    1: If cleric is dead and chanter lives, Chanter resses Cleric.

    2: If Cleric and Chanter are both dead, weakest dps who isnt being targetted should ress. (imo)

    What if the glad that is tanking has less dps than a range? The glad can't stop because he/she might get interrupted by boss and has to continuously tank it and not move away from spot. But the tank can also be a sorc so usually the classes that tank it have less room to rez. A ranged class should usually rez because of less chance to get interrupted, if it doesn't tank the boss.

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    Quote from Zergie

    1: If cleric is dead and chanter lives, Chanter resses Cleric.

    2: If Cleric and Chanter are both dead, weakest dps who isnt being targetted should ress. (imo)

    What if the glad that is tanking has less dps than a range? The glad can't stop because he/she might get interrupted by boss and has to continuously tank it and not move away from spot. But the tank can also be a sorc so usually the classes that tank it have less room to rez. A ranged class should usually rez because of less chance to get interrupted, if it doesn't tank the boss.

    If we talking pve (i was thinking pvp), then yeah the tank can obviously not start ressing while tanking the boss. So than one of the other dps classes would have to do it, preferably the one who does the least amount of damage (if able), But ressing the cleric is so important that it shouldn't come down to trivial things. If u are able to ress, ress.

    I would say it depends on the situation.

    If party isn't suffering, I would expect the Chanter getting the job done; but, if he needs to keep healing, expecially in a party like yours, the Ranger should ress (SM and Sorc should CC as well, tho).


    Chanter should have said "ressing" or "can't ress" (were you on TS/Discord/whatever, weren't you?)

    Can't blame you for not being coordinated, imo

    Quote from wahuha

    the Ranger should ress (SM and Sorc should CC as well, tho).

    now lets image fight without aoe fear and aoe sleep

    6 vs 6

    chanter and cleric dead

    4 vs 6

    Every try to reuse focused shots and ressing casts are brakes. Even put trap with 2 sec cast time without cast speed buff impossible

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    now lets image fight without aoe fear and aoe sleep

    6 vs 6

    exit & find another group.

    Quote

    chanter and cleric dead

    4 vs 6

    wait for CC and try to ress..

    Quote from Ydri
    Quote from wahuha

    wait for CC and try to ress..

    thx for your opinion. So if supps dead and they cant heal - no point to wait CC cuz we will be dead

    I'm not sure I got what you mean, tho', I meant if both healers are dead the only way you have to keep fighting is to try to ress them, and the only solution is to take time while using a res-stone (using CC or cheasing opponents away).


    As Zergie said:

    Quote from Zergie

    [...]ressing the cleric is so important that it shouldn't come down to trivial things. If u are able to ress, ress.

    ;)

    Quote from wahuha

    and the only solution is to take time while using a res-stone (using CC or cheasing opponents away).

    without healing last 4 players will die very fast. By assist, fallow marks - its like 2-5 sec for each target. And ofc enemys are not blind - they see who trying to ress. And for brake cast need just one or few hits or just 1 aoe gladi skill.

    Maybe that hard to image, but if your supps die fast - its 100% lose fight. And try to resurrect... well if they died to far from enemys - okey. But if on the same place as fight (for example Gravity), in small place - it's nonsense.

    Ofc this is just my opinion. And its based on runs what I saw. Every gg premades vs gg premades.

    I not trying to impose own opinion. I will not changed it anyway. But I interesting about opinion of other players. And if it's will be not enough - we all have youtube with dred runs videos

    I did some mistake when I made this thread cuz we dont know about exp of people who wrote comments here. So best way to see truth is - make a test:

    U can tell time when gladiator/AT or ranger could ress those teamates.


    1. Here koreans doing simple moves (dreds from past I remember like this). Videos from clerics eyes.

    Few fights - cler was resurrected by bard. When cler and bard was dead - they regroup.


    2. Another koreans

    Here templar resurrect cleric. And at same time second cleric was in focus

    When second cleric died and first was in focus - he just regr cuz fight in the middle and better/faster just use TP.


    3. Here guys from deyla.

    Cleric put shield skill on himself and start ress chant. When both supps died - they regr. Again, again and again. (btw nice fight)

    IMO if there are support classes to help the cler, cler should only ress when the others are dead so he can stay focused more on healing/survivability both in pve and pvp.
    Again IMO if there's bard and chant, i would prioritize bard's ress since it's faster unless chant is going to use woq to do that. Sometimes is better to let cler do loci if the dead teammate is in a bad spot.

    Again IMO it's all situational and dependent on the group composition and synergy. You cannot make a rule for everybody with this.

    edit: personally, no matter on what char i am, i always ress ppl with white stones if i see a support is too busy or maybe he really do not want to do it :)

    I as a cler can say, when I'm dead it is sometimes better when a dps ressurects me [insta stone should be obligatory], because if there is a 2nd support in my group, he usually heals while I lie down on the floor.

    Especially as a chanter [with or without protection spell], it is possible to keep the grp alive a certain time, ideally till the cler is alive again.

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