Posts by Bones

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from Galeas

    You are just going for personal speculations and conspiracy theories here that we have evil schemes

    Is that the best punch line you can give. Just shows your bussines and how you treat your customers. I said it myself I can only speculate, because that is only information we have that there ain't any. All we got is "technical issues".


    It is obvious you don't communicate with best intention, but to make confusion so statment players weren't hyped, had hopes is just plain LIE. People were hyped in 2021 and are hyped now in 2022 with the release of your latest video/statment. Which ofc we still don't know if get it.


    You could easily state we have tecnical issues with our client, so we won't release it in year 2021, but we estimate it to release it around in Q3/Q4 2022, at best. We are doing our best to bring you the best experiance and releasing game,.....


    For 1 year all we got is "technical issues" and god forbid someone asks more he is called immediately theoretical/consfiracy/evil fanatic? Lets hope this kind of connunication won't backfire.


    PS: I don't have any ill intentions to the game, at most I am pasionate for the game (nostalgia), like most of the players who played it from year 2009 onwards. For some it was first MMO and as the saying goes you don't forget your first :).

  • Aion Classic Discussion


    Hiding under the pretext of a "technical issues" for more then 1 year is just silly of any serious company, especially if it has annual revenue of around 80 million dollars and around 270 employeees and yet can't fix techincal issues in proper time manner? Deciving tactics there aren't any "technical issues". I am 100% certain your company was well aware that you would not release the game in 2021, but with the shady way of communicating with your playerbase "everything was opened with confusion", so playerbase still had some hopes. As it has now for 2022.


    Serious company already markets its products by releasing various feedbacks of the game, interviews, streams, short videos of alpha games, etc. I know this is old game everything is well know, yet still as a publisher you could provide some feedback Ahh yes I forgot "we don't know if we will get the game". Companies do plan at what time they will release a game and if they need to postpone it to a later date, they do it. This happenes on how many occasions?


    You still don't know if we will get it. So we aren't talking on a technical issues here anymore? As I mentioned in my previous statment, the only factor here is/was NCSOFT, they are calling all the shots and I am speculating they are now inclined to release the European Aion Classic, because of losing "western market " (NA). I'm sure it's also in your best interest now to release Aion Classic, to compensate the lost revenue of TERA ONLINE (global shutdown) and ofc to make extra money, obvious. So now you are both incline/eager to release this game, maybe it will happen but when 2022/2023? I am 100% you know this date and you won't share it, which means there is a probability we get it at 2023 and not in 2022. So you made players hyped 2021, 2022 but without any feedback at all. Before in 2021 NCSOFT had NA market and probably estimated EU players will play there (they were right) so they weren't even thinking of releasing this game to EU if all things vent well in NA (which didn't). You could easily stated this and not hide under pretext "technical issues". In 21 century when technical issues needs more then 1 year to fix. I hope all things go well for releasing this game, which I seriously doubt because of the model you are planing to release (hush hush marketing). So you see I disagree with you because shady company is stil a shady company in the end of the day ;).

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from Galeas
    Quote from Kotoro

    Would be cool if Galeas could say 2/3 words on this matter that affected every Classic Aion ever released,
    not only linking Game rules saying its illegal.

    If we ever get classic, there will be plenty of time to communicate on several topics. That time has not come since AION classic is not confirmed.

    Can we atleast get a feedback if you are planing to release Aion Classic in this or in next year IF we get Aion Classic. If you can't anwser this question your company is operating under frivolous management.


    Every company is planing/estimates on costs, revenue, profit, investments, etc in the begining of their accounting year. I never seen a company with "go with the flow" buisness model. Something new for me aswell.


    You could easily said if we get Aion Classic we will go with this route with this payment model, with INT on language seperated servers, etc. You don't even communicate with your customers which is a strange behaviour. Are you paid by customers? You act/operate more like a public company who is financed by te state (via taxpayers money).


    Or maybe that is your agenda 0 marketing, because you already now what kind of model you will release (same as NA) so for you it is better everything is on a hush hush so you can fast cash grab.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from miabuelasabiaq

    Second, you think they are gonna release 7 servers at start. How on earth do you state this in 2022? that is not gonna happen, its just an hilarious comment. Theres no population for 7 servers, not even in 2012 they released 7 servers. Your dumb. I dont see them doing anything more than 1 EN server, 1 DE & 1 FR.

    In year 2009 they released servers: Spatalos (EN), Telemachus (EN), Castor (EN), Perento (EN), Gorgos (EU), Kromede (GER), Votan (GER), Balder (GER), Urtem (FRA), Vidar (FRA), Suthran (FRA)


    In truth be told I only remeber Spatalos, Perento, Gorgos. I know first 2 mentioned all tryhards vent me included.


    In 2011 doing Fire Temple and stating server is dead. I just can't take you on a serious note. No wonder you sound so pissed at this game you didn't get that nostalgia feeling of fresh game from the start :D.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from miabuelasabiaq

    The only thing they are not gonna eat (90% of the population) is paying a sub fee, cos most of them are not whales

    Talking in your previous post I am dumb. By your standard those who pays SUB fee for 15 EUR are whales. I rest my case. Just not worth discussing with you because you will report every post I make. As stated before you took down 4-5 of mine posts.


    PS: Not my fault if you played on a "dead server". As I remeber right Spatalos Perento was active.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    So if I have 1 main account (SUB Siel) and I also create 100 F2P accounts by your standard you have 101 players but from publisher/Developer view I only pay for 1 what they get from the rest of 100 accounts I amde 0 they get only problems because those 100 accounts aren't for regular play but for illegal activities. If game is F2P the game will feel more active at first glance but when you look closer more boters then active players. If your definition of PVP is killing bots well for me that isn't comeptitive PVP. I rather have active players then those imaginery active players with F2P. The only F2P game who is in top 5 charts is Lost Ark. There is so many boters obvious it is F2P game that in single day they baned 1 mio booters.


    Quote from miabuelasabiaq

    The game was dead in 2010-2011 under those terms with all in their favor as ive said. Imaging in 2022 with none of those things.

    Far from the truth if you look at that era it was active (still most yt pvp videos from that time). If you played it at that time you wouldn't state this BS. They changed the model because they misscalculated at lifespan of the game. Or it didn't have mass playerbase as WOW did at that time. It wasn't WOW killer (maybe their goal was to surpass it), so they tried with diffrent model and that was the biggest mistake they did.


    Last time when we tried to discuss this you said go play dead game Aion Classic and you will play a man game (G2W), so I don't understand what is your agenda here posting if it is clear if you don't want to play Aion Classic. It is a free world but don't get it. Bravo to you aswell for taking down my 4-5 posts. Last time we discussed you vent offf playing a man game and reported all my posts. Just so we are clear I don't have nothing against you, but you wont see me at Lost Ark forum lurking there and stating this game is P2W, etc.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    But it can actual do harm. Lets take an example of current Aion classic NA they give free manastones, stigmas, etc. I got 4-5 mio (attack +5x5) kinah doing nothing by selling those 5 manastones. You can sell them via broker so it is simple you have 1 main account 100 of F2P accounts ez money that is what I see as an abusing ingame mechanics. If he has 100 SUB accounts that is another story. BDO launched with 3 main servers if you had on all servers chars and log in you got loyality. And playerbase was pissed back then when server merged you got all loyalties from all. Back then that was a huge drama cuz of it.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    When I am talking about SUB I mean as the old days of Aion. You buy the game and you can play the game only if you paid for the SUB for that month. I am against free 1 hour daily or as previous stated you have 1 legit account (Siel SUB) and others accounts are F2P to do dmg, following your main account or doing illegal activities. With proper SUB you prevent all this nonsense. No pay no play. As stated via Livo you can't play Korea Aion Classc anymore for free only if you have Siel (SUB). I hope we get something like this. This solves most problems. Preventing 100% of boting, cheating is just illusion but with proper model and proper staff management you make things harder for them.


    The most successful mmorpgs (total players/concurrent players) on charts are with either some sort of SUB or B2P (base game and further content) or mix of both.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    I agree with you they will introduce the same model as NA, because it is obvious NCSOFT is calling all the shots. Well atleast 90% sure, maybe at start more "pleasent" model for the players, but later down the line (around 6 months) heavy P2W. I am 99% GF was blocked via NCSOFT and those technical issues, still not fixed after 1+ year I mean lets be serious (LMAO?). Or maybe GF is now more inclined to release Aion classic when TERA shutdown globaly.


    But did you ever asked yourself why F2P was seen good (was it) at first glance? F2P you gain alot more players but do all this players contribute to paying the bills not at all far from that. In your previous post you stated that Aion classic was killed by bots and AP traders. Imagine with F2P concept how many players will have 10+ accounts just to compete aka boting, cheating alts accounts AP trading. Aion is heavily competitive PVP game with F2P nobody will even report anyone because all will cheat. With F2P model you gain some whales who pays the bills, what happenes to the game when those players stop playing who pays the bills? That is why they eventually introduce more and more RNG hidden mechanics (walls) you can ONLY "pass" with cash shop items. So more and more P2W.


    If I wanted to play old school Aion I would chose what the game represent back then with B2P+SUB. If I wanted to play Aion F2P+P2W I would play retail.


    F2P - Elyon, SOLO (not even P2W), etc why lifespan of this games so low if F2P is the best model. If I was a publisher and I would analyize Aion classic life span is at most of 1 year with low playerbase I would introduce cash grab model, same as NA. Maybe I am wrong of those 2 mentioned games because never played it.


    PS: But still we voice here our opinions so they won't say we sorry we didn't know.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    I think we can all agree that NA model (B2P+SUB+BP+P2W) was full of cash grab model (scam). In my opinion best model is B2P (20 EUR) + SUB 15 EUR. You will never preven't 100% boting, ap trading, cheating, etc but with SUB model they need to buy the game again and pay the SUB fee every month, if they get baned. If they want to manage this game properly (ban players in appropriate time) they will have heatlhy playerbase. With F2P model there will be higher playerbase, but mostly because of boters (RMTs). With F2P model who cares if someone gets baned he will just make another account for free. He can have 1 legit account and 10 + accounts boting. Those accounts which do illegal activities just sends money to the legit account so if for some reason those accounts with illegal activities gets baned that player didn't lose anything, because his legit account is still safe. That was a huge problem in New World.


    I wonder if this kind of behaviour will be baned by GF.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnDweMDNfWg

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from robi1102
    Quote from Bones

    my posts gets reported

    Try to be friendly. I try even sometimes is high diff to carry it

    when someone is calling me and other players (a few of them) we are crazy for even thinking about B2P and SUB model ofc I will respond and try to evaluate my stance. Funny thing is I won't report others (never) I do belive in free speech.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from Oneuproad


    Whoever says that sub free is a reason why Aion classic would die in EU/NA, dude get a grip of yourself. Most people who would play Aion classic are the people who played it back then and so(aka Nostalgia), meaning they are grown up ass men with money to spend. That you are cheap is your own personal problem, but do not spread that to the wider audience.

    Couldn't agree more. SUB is healty player enviroment (equality). When I try to advocate SUB model my posts gets reported. Funny thing all players here wants "Aion Classic" yet I doubt they even played it :D.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    So first bracket is coccurent players at specific time but what is the second bracket is it number of capped server and why diffrent numbers? Is it just me or China is doing the best can you provide numbers for them aswell? What is for NA cap?

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from Livo

    Interesting thing is that you cannot join game on classic servers without Siel Aura any more. So even if significant amount of characters are just bots, they still give $$ to NCsoft.

    which is a good thing by my standard. No freeloaders.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from Kotoro
    Quote from Trubbish

    I think there's a considerable amount of players who aren't "botters", but can't really afford to pay a sub fee, esp. if they want 2 accounts, but could easily sustain a "Goldpack equivalent" ingame.

    IF gameforge add that Siel Aura sellable on broker then its should be fine

    But who will buy it boters and AP traders. They will trade goldpack or Siel for their AP. You said it yourself what killed the game.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from Trubbish

    I think there's a considerable amount of players who aren't "botters", but can't really afford to pay a sub fee, esp. if they want 2 accounts, but could easily sustain a "Goldpack equivalent" ingame.

    Can you explain to me how would you prevent boters, cheaters, economy abusers, ap traders with F2P game. With SUB you atleast limit them you can't prevent 100% that is illusion but with proper baning in appropirate time maner you can manage this and you make healthy equal enviroment. If goldpack can be bought via ingame you know every boter (rmt), cheater, etc can easily buy it via illegal activities. If I look at my household bills 15 EUR for a monthly fee is like a rain drop in the lake.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Maybe learn to read first so you can respond to others players properly. You are so delusional. AGAIN never have I ever stated there won't be any P2W in Aion Classic I am asking at what stage they will bring at start (same as NA) or in 6 months or in 1 year of the game. They probably analyzed the lifespan of Aion Classic.


    1. Aion started as B2P and SUB (september 2009) I played it from the start, so I don't know what shit P2W trash you played for the couple of years. You do understand there is a mass of playerbase who will never try Korean or NCSOFT mmos, only because of their cash grab P2W sneaky tactics. There is a big negative attentions to their products (NSCOSFT). Maybe for once try to read some replies from other players and not just listening to yourself.


    2. Maybe you don't want to pay for the sub and B2P model and you stated you aren't a whale and you play 0 P2W games (GW2). So with your statment I can only imagine you are a cheater or boter. Why? Only boters/cheaters want to have F2P games with P2W items (they arent forced to buy those) so they can make as much money as they can free (RMT). If they are baned they can easily create new char even IP BLOCK (VPN). I am 100% for SUB for any game and will always advocate this model, because you prevent those scum of players. We got him bois :D?


    3. You agree with me on what? I said many times I am for B2P and SUB, never have I ever mentioned I want daeva pass/battle pass in the game. You are always talking about davea pass and P2W stuff, because as a boter that works perfectly for you, you aren't force to buy those to play the game, on the otherhand SUB you need to buy if you are normal player, whale or a boter.


    4. Are you an expertise in field in game of industry to state such nonsense? Maybe check interwiev of Chris Wilson with Josh Strife. He is an expertise. You do understand that NCSOFT emplyeees don't work only on AION right? If you look their financial statments you can see that mobile games are the biggest cashcow. I imagine you are that kind of gamer/player if the game doesn't ghave 1 mio playerbase you reply "DEAD GAME". How Aion retail could sruvive so long then, why is Aion classic NA still operating, new world only has 12,5k concurrent players and there are many other mmos who operate on a normale base. So I don't get it why 10-20k playerbase (concurrent players) for EU Aion Classic is small by your standard.


    5. NCSOFT and GF can release whatever model they want. That is their bussiness. Me and many other players here can voice our opinion on what kind of model we want here in EU, so they can't say we didn't tell them. And you come and talk we are all crazy, etc expecting to have B2P and SUB model. Delusional boter is all I can say.