Aion Classic Discussion

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Would be cool if Galeas could say 2/3 words on this matter that affected every Classic Aion ever released,
not only linking Game rules saying its illegal.

If we ever get classic, there will be plenty of time to communicate on several topics. That time has not come since AION classic is not confirmed.

Can we atleast get a feedback if you are planing to release Aion Classic in this or in next year IF we get Aion Classic. If you can't anwser this question your company is operating under frivolous management.

Every company is planing/estimates on costs, revenue, profit, investments, etc in the begining of their accounting year. I never seen a company with "go with the flow" buisness model. Something new for me aswell.

You could easily said if we get Aion Classic we will go with this route with this payment model, with INT on language seperated servers, etc. You don't even communicate with your customers which is a strange behaviour. Are you paid by customers? You act/operate more like a public company who is financed by te state (via taxpayers money).

Or maybe that is your agenda 0 marketing, because you already now what kind of model you will release (same as NA) so for you it is better everything is on a hush hush so you can fast cash grab.

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Dont expect any eta / aproximative date from them,
They couldnt give any ETA from this strange "launcher" issue,
While Japan, Taiwan, China, NA got Their Classic version.

The annoncement of Aion Classic Eu will pop out of nowhere,

If they don't even talk about the resolution of launcher and co,
be sure that you can wait 1 more year without any news for sure.

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Can we atleast get a feedback if you are planing to release Aion Classic in this or in next year IF we get Aion Classic. If you can't anwser this question your company is operating under frivolous management.

Every company is planing/estimates on costs, revenue, profit, investments, etc in the begining of their accounting year. I never seen a company with "go with the flow" buisness model. Something new for me aswell.

You could easily said if we get Aion Classic we will go with this route with this payment model, with INT on language seperated servers, etc. You don't even communicate with your customers which is a strange behaviour. Are you paid by customers? You act/operate more like a public company who is financed by te state (via taxpayers money).

Or maybe that is your agenda 0 marketing, because you already now what kind of model you will release (same as NA) so for you it is better everything is on a hush hush so you can fast cash grab.

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You don't have the right perspective, information, nor analysis of the situation. You seem to forget that there is one decisive factor that needs to be taken care of for the whole project to even come to an end.

There is no such thing as "go with the flow", everything is planned like for any other company. Doesn't mean it is the right time to share that type of info necessarily, there is a time for everything.

We do communicate, but so far only on the basis of what is certain or not and nothing is at this point (and I think it is a very fair way of communicating). We are of course considering all necessary topics in case we get AION classic. And in due time, everyone will be informed accordingly and in a proper manner. That is if we get the confirmation that we will actually have it.

It would be very bad from all possible perspectives to start sharing all sorts of details and then two months later explain that it will never happen. The day we do that, everyone will take it as a confirmation (a vast majority already took as a confirmation the little update I gave even though it was not) that we will get classic. Consequently, this would happen only when we have confirmation as I explained already in this thread. That is the only proper way to proceed.

You don't start marketing on a product before you are sure you will get that product, no one does that either and for very good reasons.

So you see, I disagree with you because I see or know no reasonable company that would handle this differently than we currently do as it is the most reasonable, meaningful and safest approach

Quote from Kotoro

Dont expect any eta / aproximative date from them,
They couldnt give any ETA from this strange "launcher" issue,
While Japan, Taiwan, China, NA got Their Classic version.

Of course they did get classic since they didn't have to even deal with the launcher issue to begin with. We are not in the same situation as they are in that regard, can't be compared at all.

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Quote from Bones

Can we atleast get a feedback if you are planing to release Aion Classic in this or in next year IF we get Aion Classic. If you can't anwser this question your company is operating under frivolous management.

Every company is planing/estimates on costs, revenue, profit, investments, etc in the begining of their accounting year. I never seen a company with "go with the flow" buisness model. Something new for me aswell.

You could easily said if we get Aion Classic we will go with this route with this payment model, with INT on language seperated servers, etc. You don't even communicate with your customers which is a strange behaviour. Are you paid by customers? You act/operate more like a public company who is financed by te state (via taxpayers money).

Or maybe that is your agenda 0 marketing, because you already now what kind of model you will release (same as NA) so for you it is better everything is on a hush hush so you can fast cash grab.

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You don't have the right perspective, information, nor analysis of the situation. You seem to forget that there is one decisive factor that needs to be taken care of for the whole project to even come to an end.

There is no such thing as "go with the flow", everything is planned like for any other company. Doesn't mean it is the right time to share that type of info necessarily, there is a time for everything.

We do communicate, but so far only on the basis of what is certain or not and nothing is at this point (and I think it is a very fair way of communicating). We are of course considering all necessary topics in case we get AION classic. And in due time, everyone will be informed accordingly and in a proper manner. That is if we get the confirmation that we will actually have it.

It would be very bad from all possible perspectives to start sharing all sorts of details and then two months later explain that it will never happen. The day we do that, everyone will take it as a confirmation (a vast majority already took as a confirmation the little update I gave even though it was not) that we will get classic. Consequently, this would happen only when we have confirmation as I explained already in this thread. That is the only proper way to proceed.

You don't start marketing on a product before you are sure you will get that product, no one does that either and for very good reasons.

So you see, I disagree with you because I see or know no reasonable company that would handle this differently than we currently do as it is the most reasonable, meaningful and safest approach

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Hiding under the pretext of a "technical issues" for more then 1 year is just silly of any serious company, especially if it has annual revenue of around 80 million dollars and around 270 employeees and yet can't fix techincal issues in proper time manner? Deciving tactics there aren't any "technical issues". I am 100% certain your company was well aware that you would not release the game in 2021, but with the shady way of communicating with your playerbase "everything was opened with confusion", so playerbase still had some hopes. As it has now for 2022.

Serious company already markets its products by releasing various feedbacks of the game, interviews, streams, short videos of alpha games, etc. I know this is old game everything is well know, yet still as a publisher you could provide some feedback Ahh yes I forgot "we don't know if we will get the game". Companies do plan at what time they will release a game and if they need to postpone it to a later date, they do it. This happenes on how many occasions?

You still don't know if we will get it. So we aren't talking on a technical issues here anymore? As I mentioned in my previous statment, the only factor here is/was NCSOFT, they are calling all the shots and I am speculating they are now inclined to release the European Aion Classic, because of losing "western market " (NA). I'm sure it's also in your best interest now to release Aion Classic, to compensate the lost revenue of TERA ONLINE (global shutdown) and ofc to make extra money, obvious. So now you are both incline/eager to release this game, maybe it will happen but when 2022/2023? I am 100% you know this date and you won't share it, which means there is a probability we get it at 2023 and not in 2022. So you made players hyped 2021, 2022 but without any feedback at all. Before in 2021 NCSOFT had NA market and probably estimated EU players will play there (they were right) so they weren't even thinking of releasing this game to EU if all things vent well in NA (which didn't). You could easily stated this and not hide under pretext "technical issues". In 21 century when technical issues needs more then 1 year to fix. I hope all things go well for releasing this game, which I seriously doubt because of the model you are planing to release (hush hush marketing). So you see I disagree with you because shady company is stil a shady company in the end of the day .

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Hiding under the pretext of a "technical issues" for more then 1 year is just silly of any serious company, especially if it has annual revenue of around 80 million dollars and around 270 employeees and yet can't fix techincal issues in proper time manner? Deciving tactics there aren't any "technical issues". I am 100% certain your company was well aware that you would not release the game in 2021, but with the shady way of communicating with your playerbase "everything was opened with confusion", so playerbase still had some hopes. As it has now for 2022.

Serious company already markets its products by releasing various feedbacks of the game, interviews, streams, short videos of alpha games, etc. I know this is old game everything is well know, yet still as a publisher you could provide some feedback Ahh yes I forgot "we don't know if we will get the game". Companies do plan at what time they will release a game and if they need to postpone it to a later date, they do it. This happenes on how many occasions?

You still don't know if we will get it. So we aren't talking on a technical issues here anymore? As I mentioned in my previous statment, the only factor here is/was NCSOFT, they are calling all the shots and I am speculating they are now inclined to release the European Aion Classic, because of losing "western market " (NA). I'm sure it's also in your best interest now to release Aion Classic, to compensate the lost revenue of TERA ONLINE (global shutdown) and ofc to make extra money, obvious. So now you are both incline/eager to release this game, maybe it will happen but when 2022/2023? I am 100% you know this date and you won't share it, which means there is a probability we get it at 2023 and not in 2022. So you made players hyped 2021, 2022 but without any feedback at all. Before in 2021 NCSOFT had NA market and probably estimated EU players will play there (they were right) so they weren't even thinking of releasing this game to EU if all things vent well in NA (which didn't). You could easily stated this and not hide under pretext "technical issues". In 21 century when technical issues needs more then 1 year to fix. I hope all things go well for releasing this game, which I seriously doubt because of the model you are planing to release (hush hush marketing). So you see I disagree with you because shady company is stil a shady company in the end of the day .

You are just going for personal speculations and conspiracy theories here that we have evil schemes and plans instead of actually reading and understanding the explanation I gave you. That is your choice.

But that will not change the very simple truth. We don't know if we will get classic or not as we need to overcome the client obstacle first. And no it doesn't rely only one us, it's a team work with NC.

Any other step you described of what any other company or game would do is completely irrelevant to our situation since we are not at that stage yet.

It's as simple as it gets. Solving this is, as it should be, the only priority for now. Nothing else can happen if this doesn't get solved. And it makes no sense to start communicating on any other aspect and spend ressources and give hope to people and hype them if we can't even solve it. No one would do that from a business perspective. When we reach a further stage, then yes we will go with the usual steps from a soon to be released game

We are not hiding under anything, we want classic as we stated before classic even was a thing in KR ;). For the record, the very idea of classic was first raised by us years ago.

We didn't create any hype ,or any hopes. Actually we did the exact opposite, which was the only reasonable approach. We tempered the hype by saying we want it but are not sure if it will be possible. Any other approach would have been dishonest.

If we can move further at some point, then it will be time for hype and everything else, have no doubt

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You are just going for personal speculations and conspiracy theories here that we have evil schemes

Is that the best punch line you can give. Just shows your bussines and how you treat your customers. I said it myself I can only speculate, because that is only information we have that there ain't any. All we got is "technical issues".

It is obvious you don't communicate with best intention, but to make confusion so statment players weren't hyped, had hopes is just plain LIE. People were hyped in 2021 and are hyped now in 2022 with the release of your latest video/statment. Which ofc we still don't know if get it.

You could easily state we have tecnical issues with our client, so we won't release it in year 2021, but we estimate it to release it around in Q3/Q4 2022, at best. We are doing our best to bring you the best experiance and releasing game,.....

For 1 year all we got is "technical issues" and god forbid someone asks more he is called immediately theoretical/consfiracy/evil fanatic? Lets hope this kind of connunication won't backfire.

PS: I don't have any ill intentions to the game, at most I am pasionate for the game (nostalgia), like most of the players who played it from year 2009 onwards. For some it was first MMO and as the saying goes you don't forget your first .

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Quote from Kotoro

Dont expect any eta / aproximative date from them,
They couldnt give any ETA from this strange "launcher" issue,
While Japan, Taiwan, China, NA got Their Classic version.

Of course they did get classic since they didn't have to even deal with the launcher issue to begin with. We are not in the same situation as they are in that regard, can't be compared at all.

First of all don't see any personal attack on you since we only talk about Gameforge globaly.

From what I understand since the very beginning on this issue.

Aion Classic could be avaliable in Europe with no issue if it was directly on Ncsoft launcher,

But the only Company that manage EU under Ncsoft is NcSoft West wich is managed by less than 3/4 ppl that crushed down Aion Classic NA.

Plus Aion Classic Europe is under Gameforge license.

The main Aion Gameforge launcher was not designed to take another version of the game at the same time ?

Means they need to creat another launcher dedicaced to Classic EU Gameforge Aion ?

That what most of people didnt understand on the first case.

This launcher issue is from the Aion Gameforge launcher that cannot attach Classic on it.

Or its the fact that they cannot put it on any other launcher than Ncsoft, making it impossible to creat custom new launcher ?

Because indeed all other region with Classic got Ncsoft launcher on it.

Since Classic first get released players get hyped now the hype is still there after 2 years of waiting for an EU version.

NA is off topic, most players didnt have vpn to manage ton fix their lags, and other reason, that make NA experience irrelevant for EU players.

Even without communicating or hyping us players will still gettint hype knowing other region are ar 2.0 already.

We know even some Gameforge staff who love Aion are hyped for a Classic version.

As we have nothing egainst Gameforge Aion staff members.

And even if nothing will upgrade on this matter giving us a hint of a details for that launcher matter.

(yes i have seen all previous eta info before).

About Aion Classic EU,

I assume if its ever gonna be released they gonna patch the game faster than NAn(wich is very good),

alot of people left cause they were stuck on 1.2 etc.

You cannot generate alot of AP on 1.9 as a lv 50 that most ppls twink 30-40 to farm their pvp set.

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All we got is "technical issues".

You could easily state we have tecnical issues with our client, so we won't release it in year 2021, but we estimate it to release it around in Q3/Q4 2022, at best. We are doing our best to bring you the best experiance and releasing game,.....

For 1 year all we got is "technical issues" and god forbid someone asks more he is called immediately theoretical/consfiracy/evil fanatic? Lets hope this kind of connunication won't backfire.

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All those statement are factually incorrect.

You got more than "technical issue" recently. We explained it was client related a few months ago already in a stream. I just did again in my very answer to you on this forum today. We did actually state precisely that were are doing our best to bring you the best experience and releasing the game in our last stream too.

And because of the very nature of the issue we can't give any ETA. I know this is frustrating but insisting on it or trying to demonstrate that this is unnaceptable from your personal point of view won't change that I'm afraid. We do it for very specific reasons that I explained previously.

I didn't call you evil fanatic, I said you were making conspiracy theories. I didn't say that out of the blue for no reason though nor I immediately called you that just for asking a question. That's not what happened.. You were not "simply asking about more info", your were making pages longs post to explain how everything was a plot on our side with evil intentions, how we are hiding the truth (your truth) and how everything is so unnacceptable and never seen before in the history of gaming industry (which is not).

That's precisely what conspiracy theories are since I gave you the facts and reasons and you refuse to accept them.

This topic is very dear to my heart since, as I mentionned plenty of time, I'm very enthusiastic myself about the possibility to get Classic in EU. That is precisely the reason why I'm extremely precise with my answers on that topic and the way I and we communciate about it. Within the range of what I am allowed to communciate of course.

Make no mistake, the hype is there and it's rather big, now I don't want to increase that hype unless I have something relevant about the actual status of the project. The disappointement would be only higher then if we don't get it.

Never ever have we generated on our side any hype about it intentionnaly via our actions and statements... yet.

Quote from Kotoro

Dont expect any eta / aproximative date from them,
They couldnt give any ETA from this strange "launcher" issue,
While Japan, Taiwan, China, NA got Their Classic version.

The annoncement of Aion Classic Eu will pop out of nowhere,

If they don't even talk about the resolution of launcher and co,
be sure that you can wait 1 more year without any news for sure.

Could you name any company that running Aion Classic, beside China SDO? SDO is different story since you can't run any game yourself at China and need partner at China for it.

My theory is NCSoft want to run Throne and Liberty first, then let other companies run Aion Classic under license.

Client issues for 2 years sounds more like you have legal issues with the code and NCsoft is not cooperating, as you have only publishing rights. Or directives at gameforge did put 1 junior programmer to solve it at 5 minutes a day.

Random people does create private clients for all kinds of ripped online games all the time, in their house. If you dont have legal issues with the thing, your programmers are angry or lazy. Raise their wage or fire them.

Or you'r waiting for NCsoft to actually do the back and bone client and you do the visuals? Just curious at this point as im not really familiar with gameforge modus operandi.

And 2 years of "client issues" with no further info... Yeah, its not common that game companys comment on their programming issues beacose its not good marketing, they comment on design, art and conceptual things. But you'r not a game developer but a publisher, so we dont care about your internal project design beacose u dont have one to start. And boy, 2 years of hype

We already "understood" that there is client issues, but maybe some more indeep info so we can feel cared about? There arent legal issues? Are you all really struggling with just doing a client? A game cant just be delayed 2 years beacose you cant create a custom client :C Sorry, im an ignorant but it just sound... strange

There's no point arguing about rubbish here or the thread will just get bumped back to spam^^

On topic:

Any specific date when we can expect some more news apart from just late summer?

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Quote from Bones

Can we atleast get a feedback if you are planing to release Aion Classic in this or in next year IF we get Aion Classic. If you can't anwser this question your company is operating under frivolous management.

Every company is planing/estimates on costs, revenue, profit, investments, etc in the begining of their accounting year. I never seen a company with "go with the flow" buisness model. Something new for me aswell.

You could easily said if we get Aion Classic we will go with this route with this payment model, with INT on language seperated servers, etc. You don't even communicate with your customers which is a strange behaviour. Are you paid by customers? You act/operate more like a public company who is financed by te state (via taxpayers money).

Or maybe that is your agenda 0 marketing, because you already now what kind of model you will release (same as NA) so for you it is better everything is on a hush hush so you can fast cash grab.

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You don't have the right perspective, information, nor analysis of the situation. You seem to forget that there is one decisive factor that needs to be taken care of for the whole project to even come to an end.

There is no such thing as "go with the flow", everything is planned like for any other company. Doesn't mean it is the right time to share that type of info necessarily, there is a time for everything.

We do communicate, but so far only on the basis of what is certain or not and nothing is at this point (and I think it is a very fair way of communicating). We are of course considering all necessary topics in case we get AION classic. And in due time, everyone will be informed accordingly and in a proper manner. That is if we get the confirmation that we will actually have it.

It would be very bad from all possible perspectives to start sharing all sorts of details and then two months later explain that it will never happen. The day we do that, everyone will take it as a confirmation (a vast majority already took as a confirmation the little update I gave even though it was not) that we will get classic. Consequently, this would happen only when we have confirmation as I explained already in this thread. That is the only proper way to proceed.

You don't start marketing on a product before you are sure you will get that product, no one does that either and for very good reasons.

So you see, I disagree with you because I see or know no reasonable company that would handle this differently than we currently do as it is the most reasonable, meaningful and safest approach

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so from what you are saying it is NCsoft holding this up with yes GF you can have classic or no they cant?

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A game cant just be delayed 2 years beacose you cant create a custom client :C Sorry, im an ignorant but it just sound... strange

Every touching the main files R prohibited due to the ncsoft is a producer. Every time, when a problem is inside the unaccessible files must be done by ncsoft. Gameforge Aion Launcher is made probably for aion free-to-play only and all problems r with the "operating files"and probably does not service the aion classic.

Maybe i am right or close to. If am i right, so ncsoft is trolling Gameforge for just two yrs ... and the worst, GF cant do nothing to it due he can't touch the files and if touch, must be it authorized, but with a different reasons ncsoft can decline explaining himself an unauthorized touching the files (what is not a truth cus GF asked them for authorize their work) and the circle is closed ....

What a troll rly, if also i solved the problem

< bruh >

edit: maybe ncsoft is scared about eu? caus na didnt reach the success? but who made that loss? 100% NOT because of the playerbase.

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Even Russia confirmed Classic but no date, lets hold on until we get EU good news

Deep inside of me im still having hope for a release in Q4 2022

Im still dreaming that in end of august they will announce it for end of september. Aion launched in eu at september 28 so maybe...

Guys you should just stop pushing them. I'm sure GF is doing it's part to prepare us the best possible classic experience we could ever think of.

We seen how pushed copy paste from korea worked in NA and i'm sure noone want the repeat of it in Europe. So let's just get some more patience and give GF as much time as they need to make the classic the best possible

I still wonder what those technical issues could be, because I've played on many classic private servers already who all seem to be working perfectly even tho they are made by 2-4 people.