Aion Classic Discussion

    So if I have 1 main account (SUB Siel) and I also create 100 F2P accounts by your standard you have 101 players but from publisher/Developer view I only pay for 1 what they get from the rest of 100 accounts I amde 0 they get only problems because those 100 accounts aren't for regular play but for illegal activities. If game is F2P the game will feel more active at first glance but when you look closer more boters then active players. If your definition of PVP is killing bots well for me that isn't comeptitive PVP. I rather have active players then those imaginery active players with F2P. The only F2P game who is in top 5 charts is Lost Ark. There is so many boters obvious it is F2P game that in single day they baned 1 mio booters.


    Quote from miabuelasabiaq

    The game was dead in 2010-2011 under those terms with all in their favor as ive said. Imaging in 2022 with none of those things.

    Far from the truth if you look at that era it was active (still most yt pvp videos from that time). If you played it at that time you wouldn't state this BS. They changed the model because they misscalculated at lifespan of the game. Or it didn't have mass playerbase as WOW did at that time. It wasn't WOW killer (maybe their goal was to surpass it), so they tried with diffrent model and that was the biggest mistake they did.


    Last time when we tried to discuss this you said go play dead game Aion Classic and you will play a man game (G2W), so I don't understand what is your agenda here posting if it is clear if you don't want to play Aion Classic. It is a free world but don't get it. Bravo to you aswell for taking down my 4-5 posts. Last time we discussed you vent offf playing a man game and reported all my posts. Just so we are clear I don't have nothing against you, but you wont see me at Lost Ark forum lurking there and stating this game is P2W, etc.

    I played in Telemachus and other server. And this is what the experienced looked like in early 2011:


    - Leveling alone in empty maps, with no people even pvping.

    - Imposible to form teams for Fire Temple etc

    - Struggle to find people to do some instanced content that you need to do like at lvl 40 in Herion.

    - Sanctum being nearly empty with Gold Sellers spamming.

    - Some mediocre player activity at high level.


    Thats what Sub fee looked in Aion Classic in 2011.


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    And if we compare Aion sub in 2011 with Aion Goldpack "F2P" in 2012 the difference was vast. No they changed sub cos it was a fail in the west, in Korea they had sub fee until 2018.



    Arguing with you is kinda nonsense seriously.


    First, Italian translation and servers were the first ones to get un-supported from GF due to low population. While other like Spanish and Polish standed hard in the years to come. So how are they gonna even release Italian servers, its like oh my god.


    Second, you think they are gonna release 7 servers at start. How on earth do you state this in 2022? that is not gonna happen, its just an hilarious comment. There's no population for 7 servers, not even in 2012 they released 7 servers. [...]. I dont see them doing anything more than 1 EN server, 1 DE & 1 FR.


    And later you state that they will merge DE/FR server together, when they CANT communicate with each other cos language barrier. Instead of merging 1 DE with 1 EN, and 1 FR with other EN. Im about to laugh seriously.


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    in 2010 / 2011 there was enough players, but the reason players left more so and then NCsoft changed to F2P and give GF Aion to run for EU was I believe how long it was taking to do the EU patches players were getting feed up of waiting. There was also a great deal of errors made or the lifespan of the game would have been a great deal longer, they had the PVE players and the PVP players and the PVE players did not like to get killed, so they started to change the game to try and make both pve and pvp players happy, they then made a big mistake with rifts, there were so many errors made over the time which made players leave.

    It was an exemple on I see things going on in the launch,
    not predicting the exact number of server, but I see them spreading as much as possible the community.

    For me if EU Classic ever release I see the double of the amont of NA launch players (+bot).


    But spreading community into national server is pretty much not working for classic

    Quote from miabuelasabiaq

    The only thing they are not gonna eat (90% of the population) is paying a sub fee, cos most of them are not whales

    Talking in your previous post I am dumb. By your standard those who pays SUB fee for 15 EUR are whales. I rest my case. Just not worth discussing with you because you will report every post I make. As stated before you took down 4-5 of mine posts.


    PS: Not my fault if you played on a "dead server". As I remeber right Spatalos Perento was active.

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    Quote from Kotoro

    + 15€ seasonal pass.

    It is a stupid thing.

    If i have to buy the game + pay the monthly fee for "my own normal playing the game wo restrictions" ... wtf battle pass or any other pass?

    I also advocate the system b2p + sub, but another pay is making this game for 600-1000 p2w ppl. If U wanna make it very expensive to play, then i will give up. By the way EUROPE has the most expensive prices versus other Regions. And also national currencies R not the same. Many countries have EURO, but there R also GBP, CHF, DKK, NOK, SEK, PLN and some more. But we receive the prices with EUR = some countries R extremally abused by it... Buy additional 15EUR battle pass is like the present values our live servers what i say it loud since long time "stop stupid +10 things and +6 tears.". If still, so i wish everyoen who buy, the +10 xp rune :D as it was one month ago in sillus in broker :D Yes, in this topic i am very big abuser, noob, whatever :)

    Not every country has strong currency. The EURO time is limited. After 1-2 yrs (highier inflation inside the EURO' currency countries against old national currency countries) we will receive better prices, i believe.


    Quote from Bones

    PS: Not my fault if you played on a "dead server". As I remeber right Spatalos Perento was active.

    I hope they will turn back live servers to the right routes. And we will not suffer any future merges what makes negative feelings to the game's quality. Deleted nation's servers, merged new servers (Miren + i forgot) ... Just publisher can stop troll with unlimitted cash and then open new servers and bring a fresh air to the Aion, because all this smell iis not only because of ncsoft

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    Quote from robi1102
    Quote from Kotoro

    + 15€ seasonal pass.

    It is a stupid thing.

    If i have to buy the game + pay the monthly fee for "my own normal playing the game wo restrictions" ... wtf battle pass or any other pass?

    I also advocate the system b2p + sub, but another pay is making this game for 600-1000 p2w ppl. If U wanna make it very expensive to play, then i will give up. By the way EUROPE has the most expensive prices versus other Regions. And also national currencies R not the same. Many countries have EURO, but there R also GBP, CHF, DKK, NOK, SEK, PLN and some more. But we receive the prices with EUR = some countries R extremally abused by it... Buy additional 15EUR battle pass is like the present values our live servers what i say it loud since long time "stop stupid +10 things and +6 tears.". If still, so i wish everyoen who buy, the +10 xp rune :D as it was one month ago in sillus in broker :D Yes, in this topic i am very big abuser, noob, whatever :)

    Not every country has strong currency. The EURO time is limited. After 1-2 yrs (highier inflation inside the EURO' currency countries against old national currency countries) we will receive better prices, i believe.

    Ofc it is stupid, currently in NA they have :

    - Siel Aura
    - Battle Pass Normal
    - Battle Pass Beginner
    - Battle Pass Event
    - Battle Pass Returning players

    All of those are different battle pass where you need to pay SUB for each Battle pass.

    If they could make 15€ monthly SUB that count in
    SIEL + Battle pass for 15€ in total I would love to but being realistic gameforge will drain every cents of your pocket.

    So lets be realistic and not delusional.

    Quote from miabuelasabiaq

    Second, you think they are gonna release 7 servers at start. How on earth do you state this in 2022? that is not gonna happen, its just an hilarious comment. Theres no population for 7 servers, not even in 2012 they released 7 servers. Your dumb. I dont see them doing anything more than 1 EN server, 1 DE & 1 FR.

    In year 2009 they released servers: Spatalos (EN), Telemachus (EN), Castor (EN), Perento (EN), Gorgos (EU), Kromede (GER), Votan (GER), Balder (GER), Urtem (FRA), Vidar (FRA), Suthran (FRA)


    In truth be told I only remeber Spatalos, Perento, Gorgos. I know first 2 mentioned all tryhards vent me included.


    In 2011 doing Fire Temple and stating server is dead. I just can't take you on a serious note. No wonder you sound so pissed at this game you didn't get that nostalgia feeling of fresh game from the start :D.

    You are so blind that you dont see that with sub fee your gonna have Gold Sellers spaming like in 2011 and that there are gonna be botters also. You are blind again, since you dont see that the real problem will be PvP hackers, and GF wont ban them or will take 6 months to do.


    You can say what you want. I have played on Telemachus, Perento, Nexus, Alquima, Hellion, Sillus, Infinite Aion. And i did start fresh in most of those servers. So your comments are a joke.


    Keep trying to convince people with fake stuff like Aion had a healthy population in 2011 when it was dead af. And that sub fee will save the world, when its just gonna make that instead of having 30k players (with Gold Pack) your gonna have 5k players, and your gonna play on empty servers.


    Also something that is really funny is that you think that anyone that wants Gold Pack is a botter. When 95% of the normal people wont put a computer 24/7 with 100 acc farming and dont even have the knowledge to do that. And most of those botters will be of black market companies that sells ing money for real money. But yes again keep living in your own world.


    PD: People will play 12h a day or spend 50 euros a month to get gold. Then you have a little % that are whales. But definetly people wont create 100 accounts to bot, also idk how many computers you will need to run 100 accounts since Aion consumes your pc like crazy. Maybe 10 computers with 10 acc on each one.

    Funny thing we are arguing about Aion Classic Economical Models,
    while if they ever gonna release Classic EU under Gameforge they probably wont ask its community might probably decided already (since they have the license for more than 2 years already now probably).

    In fact Aion Classic we should of focus on more cancerous things such as :

    - Gameforge selling on cash shop Candy's that is worth 100K in KR/NA etc...
    - Ap traders
    - Bot

    - Cheaters

    - Glitch users


    Its been 2 years Aion Classic have first seen its journey,
    Its been 1 years + players openned this topic asking for Classic,
    Its been 1+ years Gameforge told us about this "launcer issue".

    But during those 2 years if they ever planned in advance to launch Classic,

    I hope they prepared themself for all those issues quoted,
    since its all about money business and less about passion,

    Galeas
    I remember reporting bot on Aion 4.x+ getting ban frequently,
    is Gameforge prepared for any Classic Aion abuse ?


    Because some players devlopped advanced tools / softwar that bypass security check that make them able to easly bot/no gravity on Classic.

    A license longetivity make profit increase.


    We all know a new server under Classic Aion EU will generate a big hype,
    with alot of try harder or even some players that are willing to push an easy mode buttom.

    When it come to it, a compagny that indirectly sell in game money trought a item avaliable only on CASH SHOP during its release,
    its almost like taking advantage of a weakness of some players.

    We are here arguing about nonsens thing we will not have any power on,
    But what we should do is to bound up together and talk about real topic,

    Thing that happened in every version of Aion Classic released.

    I repeat :

    - Candy for Kinah at release (CASHSHOP only)
    - AP trader
    - Botting
    - Using advanced tools / illegal softwar to cheat

    - Glitch user.


    Would be cool if Galeas could say 2/3 words on this matter that affected every Classic Aion ever released,
    not only linking Game rules saying its illegal.

    Quote from Kotoro

    Would be cool if Galeas could say 2/3 words on this matter that affected every Classic Aion ever released,
    not only linking Game rules saying its illegal.

    If we ever get classic, there will be plenty of time to communicate on several topics. That time has not come since AION classic is not confirmed.

    Quote from Galeas
    Quote from Kotoro

    Would be cool if Galeas could say 2/3 words on this matter that affected every Classic Aion ever released,
    not only linking Game rules saying its illegal.

    If we ever get classic, there will be plenty of time to communicate on several topics. That time has not come since AION classic is not confirmed.

    Can we atleast get a feedback if you are planing to release Aion Classic in this or in next year IF we get Aion Classic. If you can't anwser this question your company is operating under frivolous management.


    Every company is planing/estimates on costs, revenue, profit, investments, etc in the begining of their accounting year. I never seen a company with "go with the flow" buisness model. Something new for me aswell.


    You could easily said if we get Aion Classic we will go with this route with this payment model, with INT on language seperated servers, etc. You don't even communicate with your customers which is a strange behaviour. Are you paid by customers? You act/operate more like a public company who is financed by te state (via taxpayers money).


    Or maybe that is your agenda 0 marketing, because you already now what kind of model you will release (same as NA) so for you it is better everything is on a hush hush so you can fast cash grab.