ninjas in instances

    Hi, lately i have noticed people ninja alot of easy instances on daily basis, like makarna, prome..

    leader just goes full ninja loot, is it possible to make leader- normal loot option based on votes? function itself is needed in some cases, so dont remove that, just make it so people can accept that if leader wants it (like more than half grp members voted for it, ok active leader - normal) otherwise low geared people will just rage quit as they get nothing

    or make ancinet+ drops still rollable even under normal loot

    Workarounds have already been asked long ago (almost 2 years ago) but the reply we got is "you invited this person/you joined this person's group so it's your fault" because you're magically supposed to guess that they're going to do that or it's somehow your fault that they load into server-wide faster and get leader before anyone else, while at the same time we're not allowed to post names of these people. I feel bad for new players but oh well, GF doesn't care/isn't gonna do anything about it so asking/reporting is useless. Just start writing down names in a notepad document from bad experiences and watch for those people i guess.

    I agree .... sadly the staffs from GF literally doing NOTHING in cases of people ninjas :< if you can then start using aiDPS bases of shameless people and avoiding invite them to you group....

    What should they do?

    The only way they can handle it is to make the loot free for all on serverwide instances from the beginning and not changeable (like it is stella).


    These changes needs to be done by ncsoft....


    Strictly speaking a ninja does nothing wrong, it is just morally reprehensible.

    Support cannot know how loot is negotiated (could have been done through discord and so on). Despite of the last second loot configuration change. They won anything about ninja.


    They might set loot as in Stella but this was requested year ago and still nothing in view.


    Last resort is to go to instances with only trusted people (mate, FL).. which is kind of sad for a mmo.

    well, my 11 alts doesnt see people from my friendlist...so suggesting friends doesnt apply here, as for my main, i usualy go solo/duo if i dont carry somebody from legion for quest

    Quote from bunnykill

    well, my 11 alts doesnt see people from my friendlist...so suggesting friends doesnt apply here,

    Why? Are your twinks top secret and no one is supposed to know them?

    If the answer is no then there is no problem here.

    And what is hindering Ncsoft making these changes?

    Also how do you know Gameforge could not make these changes also?

    You got knowledge of this or just guessing / assuming?

    You don't need knowledge, just use your brain for 2 Seconds.


    It's a gameplay related thing, that only the dev's can change. Since GF is not the dev of Aion it doesn't need a Rocket Scientist to figure out that they can't change it.

    What hinders Gameforge for communicating with Ncsoft about the change?

    Also, I wanna throw the ball back to you "use your brain for 2 seconds".

    You are implying that NCsoft developers would need to program/code everything again to make changes to these suggestions. Do you really expect this game not having a Console / switch function already implented in their system?

    Gameforge most likely got access to these already. They don't even need to code anything for turning it on / off or restrict.

    But I guess using brain for 2 seconds was not just enough and it shouldnt be rocket science to know that there most likely is already platform for this and it already been used since they already made changes to this (Stella is as a example), which also Gameforge most likely got access to, considering they are publishing this game. Only hinder I see is just contract rights, that Gameforge might need to ask permission (or do they?).

    Like I said earlier: (Same) People always bring comments like "its not rocket science", yet themself leaving out a lot of other possibilities. Stop thinking so black and white on everything, thinking there is only one answer.

    p.s: "You got knowledge of this or just guessing / assuming?"

    Edited 2 times, last by Murikka ().

    Quote from Murikka

    What hinders Gameforge for communicating with Ncsoft about the change?

    They simply don't care, because these people don't break any rules.

    I'm not saying that what they do is ok, but it's not forbidden. The game allows this to be done, so GF simply can not ban them.


    @ your 2nd post

    Ever heard of a Contract? GF most likely can't do that without NC ripping their heads of afterwards.

    Many GF officials have said time and time again that they have to ask for pretty much everything. But you people still don't understand that and always come with the same comments.

    :scensored:


    You also make it sound like it is horrible for publisher to communicate with the company they are publishing the game for. I still don't understand what the problem is to ask if they can change something in EU side. Why can't Gameforge ask from Ncsoft?


    :scensored:



    Off-topic.


    - Zapiel

    Well in some cases where ppl recorded leader switching loot setting from normal to leader loot, GF could've ban these ppl or request a custom setting for sw instances. They should've start acting as soon as this behavior was getting out of control (for me it started with 5.x, where extra loot like APES was introduced), now its just simply too late.


    And i dont understand the ppl who are saying

    Quote from Zenuri

    Strictly speaking a ninja does nothing wrong, it is just morally reprehensible.

    Like the f*, there is nothing wrong with taking the entire rewards you earned with your co-worker together for yourself?


    And like I said above, there are many ways to prevent/ not to tolerate such behaviors, but you can see players using hacks/bot etc. are still playing, so this ninjaing is not much of a problem for them I guess.

    Quote from KebabVaderYami

    Like the f*, there is nothing wrong with taking the entire rewards you earned with your co-worker together for yourself?

    I mean technically in order for Gameforge to do something, like a ban.

    You can't ban someone for changing the loot, if the game allows it to do so. Also if someone rolls all the time higher than all the others, how do you want to ban him?


    If you read my whole post, I said that it is not fair and I don't like it. Also I mentioned out, that there are ways to prevent it (loot not changeable like in Stella).

    Don't know why it wasn't requested by GF.

    Quote from Murikka

    Also how do you know Gameforge could not make these changes also?

    Game changing mechanics always have to be done by NCSoft. For example every change in events (if there is a bug for example) needs a request to NCSoft. You can read a lot of examples in the forum where Galeas mentioned, that they are not able to change it by theirself.

    Quote from Zenuri

    I mean technically in order for Gameforge to do something, like a ban.

    You can't ban someone for changing the loot, if the game allows it to do so. Also if someone rolls all the time higher than all the others, how do you want to ban him?


    If you read my whole post, I said that it is not fair and I don't like it. Also I mentioned out, that there are ways to prevent it (loot not changeable like in Stella).

    Don't know why it wasn't requested by GF.

    Why cant you ban him? What would be the reason why said person would be reported after changing the setting to leader loot, took everything and got reported afterwards? So the game allows me to scam and I can scam like I want to and there is nothing wrong with it? Ofc there are situations where you cant decide wether it was scammed/ninja or not, but changing the setting alone to leader loot should result in a ban in order to teach other scammers a lesson. If there is a punishment system, the number of ninjas would alrdy going down since there are more leader loot ninja than "depend on luck to roll higher"-ninja. And yes this can be done by GF, even if NC denies the request of implementing unchangeable loot setting in sw instances (which should be alrdy implemented in certain instances).


    Saying you dont like it and defend the publisher, that they cant do anything about it, which is wrong, since they can but they chose not to act, doesnt change anything about my opinion about these ppl.