Posts by Oneuproad

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    "I don't compare it with NA". But you talk about easy elite pvp gear (if you did not mean the 40e from pass, that is my bad). We already are going to have it a lot easier than other regions as we start with dred + few abyss dungeons. As I said, you should be worried about AP traders early on, not about having or not having 10k AP in the pass at the beginning. That we have AP from battlepass at later stage is not going to do anything, you will have so many options to make good AP with minimal effort.

    I never said it is good to spend 30€ a month, I have been saying since ever on this forum that the battlepass is a matter of choice and it is barely going to give you anything. On our version the 1st battlepass is going to be worth a lot less even than it was on NA or other regions, if we get gear from campaign + SR.

    Who are the "as many players as possible". Aion is as niche as it could be, it is not going to be crowded by newcomers. But yes, quite some people run away because of battlepass, because they make a matter out of thin air. But I mean there are also people who run away because the game is sub based kek.

    I played NA 1.2 and it was a disaster, what we get is better in many ways though that is subjective in some parts.

    edit: You are not old fashioned, but you do pay 10€ to get the full experience. :D

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    What easy elite gear? what relic? A few enhancement stones not going to do you anything, especially if they are untradeable. Stop comparing EU to NA.

    NA is 1+ year old, and you can get 40e gear as a beginner/returner player so you have the slightest chance against endgame people.

    Gameforge even removed ONE, a SINGLE major crown from the 1st rewards because people complained and said it is P2W, imagine. Meanwhile on KR you could get crowns for subbing, so people subbed for decades lol. You should be more worried about AP traders than a few crowns in the battlepass. There were countless people who never paid premium on NA and they had no problem in PvP (me included). Premium pass is going to be the last thing that makes you lose in PvP.


    Classic never was f2p, and never was advertised as. There are much worse games than 30€ a month that are "f2p/b2p" model to begin with.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Shira


    Have you even played NA classic at the beginning? It did not become hyperinflated because of bots. It became because of the same exploit that was present in 1.2 KR, and people abused it to generate kinah you have never had in Aion +candies sellable.

    The bot infestation only came after that, that was not dealt with at all.

    There is a reason why we get a higher patch client. The price of you guys losing the "true" nostalgy feeling comes with a much more stable/less exploitable client.


    The fact that gameforge has been able to change so many things for us compared to NA (our prime example of failure), and yet you guys still here whining.

    Cyriak You don't need the premium battle pass at all. It is purely a matter of choice. You only need the 10€ sub to play the game.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    NA had sub 20% server capacity on Siel during prime times, 4 weeks post release. Surely the delayed 1.5 was the problem. But I am just repeating


    Imagine if EU players never went to NA, KEKW.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from robi1102

    What do U want to show? - off topic bro

    Man, it is fine that you want to express your worries. But your 5.8+ retail problems are quite literally irrelevant in this thread. Even if they were to show up on classic that is years away like say 3-4 more years if we talk about an escalated rate, and it would be very optimistic to believe classic would last that long in good health. Fingers crossed.

    I somehow cannot believe anyone else apart from you complained about retail Aion features on this thread.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    First of all, I have never voted against 1.X or 2.0 because 1.X contains 1.2 possibility, and I am only openly against 1.2 because it is a dogpoop patch, you can say whatever you want. The patch is basically a chicken wing without meat on it.


    You are not getting trolled by me, the value of your words over the last 2 years has been degrading slowly. First on the 1.9 server you quit and cried for 2.0 as 1.9 "has no content". Then you here on this thread spread misinformation regarding a lawsuit that happened between Gameforge Aion and a player, just to justify your opinion that is pulled outta your ass. You basically change your opinion as sees fit to justify your everchanging view.


    You keep constantly comparing KR/CN to west, when it is clear that our views are different. There is no doubt KR/CN have better numbers when it comes to active players, but their stats are also much more infected by bots. Have you ever even watched 1.X KR streams? Hoarfrost area in Beluslan, literal alliance of bots following each other and killing mobs, then you happen to find a player here and there.


    Everything you have mentioned existed on the 1.9 server, how come that time you never brought all of these things up and cried out for 2.0? Maybe because now you think you are going to be able to partake in it, which you probably won't. Anyway, let's have a look through this.


    Zapiel: Only drops one of the best weapons for gladiator, rest are whatever.

    Jeshuchi: Drops one of the best maces for templar, and atk speed weapons for mages(neglectable).

    Bollvig: Actual dogpoop boss, drops extendable for assassin that they never even truly need.

    Menotios: Drops one of the best maces for templar, rest are whatever.


    All of these bosses are pretty much competed by a small minority of the server. Yet you make it sound like it is the holy grail of 1.X. You complain about "zerg pvp" that comes with 2.0........ What exactly is going to happen at these world bosses if we were to release at 1.X? You think people are going to form a line to 1v1 for the right of the loot? Get real.


    Low level nameds, world bosses were already ignored on 1.2 during levelling, they were farmed by stay 40 people.

    Most nameds are farmed and can be farmed even in 2.0, and some dedicated people will have low level chars for them. Again this is a content for a minority of the server, however this can create a non-zergish PvP scenarios in 1.X at Heiron Kishar/Indratu especially.

    True, you can camp certain areas in 1.X, just like you can in 2.X. I have camped udas countless times, I have camped waterfall in Heiron, Azoturan countless times. Guess what happens at the end, you get zerged out. But for some reason in your head it feels different in 1.X.


    Here another huge flaw of yours that you never consider, you think that your average person has 16 hours a day at their hands to play Aion. Just because you do, it does not mean the majority does also. This was already shown in 4.X that people do not always use all their dungeon cooldown at one go. Like you got to be on some highest level of copium to think everyone is going to do 7 LUT, 7 UT, 7 BT in 1 day just to satisfy your take. This system with dungeon cooldowns puts much less stress on a player, they can always just skip a day and maybe do 2 runs on the weekend or maybe not even do all 7 because it is not in their face everyday.

    Even if we go through all of those cooldowns, the medal dailies are creating a constant PvP life. That you think in KR people do not hit questing people is your problem, and again a useless comparison to the west.

    People will camp BT, people will camp udas, people will randomly cross at BT, people will randomly cross because they are taking enemy faction BT route, and so on and so forth.

    I'll repeat once more, I am more in favor for 1.5-1.9 start.

    You are the only one I personally target, because your takes are so baseless while you are putting a lot of effort into classic, I give you that.


    1.X success? You know what success brings with itself? Bots, the more people the higher chance for business. Laughs in Lost Ark.

    Drastic drop in KR population (again why do we use KR as reference to the west, while NA classic died in 1.2?) with 2.0 release? Hmmm, right... with 2.0 came the drop nerf and removal of free siel aura against bots in KR. What a shameful coincidence, it definitely was not this completely logical scenario but yours for the reason of this sudden decline in population.


    KR streamers? I do not know again what you are smoking, I was watching like 5-6 KR streamers throughout 1.X, by the time 2.0 hit I was only watching Tankerking. Tankerking even came over to NA classic, because 1.X in KR was so much fun. The game's hype has gone down.

    Also, not to favour 2.X classic. But the spreading of content release in 2.X was so much better for the health of the game compared to 1.X, it is just crazy. Imagine if you got your 50 gear in 1.5 (hello AP traders), then you are done with the game until 2.0. Not even comparable, you need to be hallucinating to deny this.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from robi1102

    I am 99% sure, that free access to the game is impossible.


    NCSoft spreaded his film with explanation, what model we will receive, and they were saying, that will be sub model.

    U and everyone here just forgot about it or U dont want to read many of posts here.

    You and Kotoro make a good pair. Both talking out their asses.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from miabuelasabiaq

    The same model they are using for Retail, make Siel Aura work like a gold pack tradeable in the broker. That way theres gonna be decent populated server/s for you to enjoy, more players, and more income for GF.


    And even like that is gonna die in some years (because its Aion), but if you wanna play on dead servers since month 1-2. Then vote for sub, its not like your gonna get more content, better quality content or direct talking to the devs for paying a sub.

    Wait, do I get this right.


    You want to completely get rid of any sub, and have the game exactly as it was when GF took over at 2.7? Means if you have no gold pack, you basically cannot play the game.

    But... does not that mean if they just had a system to buy Siel's Aura with kinah, then it would be exactly the same, actually better because you have free siel/gold pack for 2 hours a day? I am actually not even sure if you can like gift/buy Siel's Aura in classic. I shall look into that.

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  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from Melba

    Considering WoW had it's highest number of players worldwide in later expansions rather than at launch pretty much destroys your sarcastic response to Kotoro.

    Ok, so let's think this through. Yes I was sarcastic, so the sarcastic sentence was:

    "Game had it's most players during launch, therefor that's the most successful patch. Omegalul"

    That means, in reality it is:

    "A game's overall success is not tied to its launch numbers"


    Which exactly equals the same what you wrote about WoW... so, what was your point again?

    Quote from Melba

    Oneuproad Perhaps try to piece your thoughts together better than simply relying on sarcasm and insults if you want to be considered to have any real value in this debate. We are not in high school any more and you don't gain popularity by being the class clown.


    Also i notice the same 4-5 players here in this forum post arguing for a 2.0 release versus a similar amount arguing in favour of 1.x The poll however puts 1.x considerably ahead in terms of a favourite. This tells us clearly that the majority of those whining on forums comes from the minority. Those who cannot be bothered to take part in the debate will simply vote with their wallets by not being part of the 2.0 release which is a louder form of voice than any we have here on the forums.


    And FFXIV and Lost Ark in KR. No point explaining because you shot yourself in the knee already above.


    Quote from Melba

    Oneuproad Perhaps try to piece your thoughts together better than simply relying on sarcasm and insults if you want to be considered to have any real value in this debate. We are not in high school any more and you don't gain popularity by being the class clown.

    Pardon me that I was sarcastic towards a clown that I have known now for 2 years. I am happy that 1 sarcastic statement of mine(who you don't know) towards someone(who you also don't know) shaped your view about me. I am not here for any popularity, I stated my opinion a few pages ago and that was it and I had an exchange of opinion with some who replied to it.

    That you bias-selected a single sentence over numerous others to bring this "high school" argument even up... You know it is kinda just like above, you shot yourself in the knee.

    Move on.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Quote from miabuelasabiaq

    Also if you are already playing the game with a "siel aura from broker or bought by shop" and doing lots of stuff, you are much more inclined to go to the shop from time to time and get a skin or other stuff. While the sub fee just scares people away from even starting playing, dropping the population to -9999, specially in a game like Aion that looks really bad in general, has very bad reputation, outdated and so and so on..


    I dont know, maybe whats happening in the game industry is hard to digest for people. Maybe League of Legends and many other mmos should go sub fee to earn more money. And btw all those games have 0 P2W XD.

    So after your marketing lessons. What exactly do you want Aion classic to be using as model?

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Kotoro's mindset:


    Game had it's most players during launch, therefor that's the most successful patch. Omegalul


    Definitely unheard of that player base declines post launch, never once happened in MMO history.


    Asian population statistics definitely is what we need to draw conclusions.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    I am still trying to decipher your words. But to me it seems like you are trying to compare the dogshit Aion retail experience to classic/OG. This is a comparison of 0 value. And I do not even understand why would you ever think it is worth bringing it up lmao.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    I don't expect anything better than it has been in the past.


    And you have a much more valid point, but I doubt this is going to be ever fixed in Aion.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Yes, but why are comparing Aion box price from OG release to regular B2P games. I am trying out classic with 2.0+ on NA with the only 2 hours siel aura a day, and I am doing fine though they really should add kinah into the campaign quests or make you auto-learn skills because a complete new player literally cannot buy skills rofl.

    Objective, which B2P game has this many more players? Also with your logic Aion retail should have these "more players", or many actual many below F tier MMORPG. I can think of GW2, TESO, BDO as B2P games and neither of them have these "more players" you speak of.


    Lineage 1-2 had no real competition until Guild Wars 1 on the west, then we all know which game took over. Some of the OG games only survived in the west because there was nothing else to compare it to, once WoW came out things just changed massively.

    I don't expect Aion to gain new players either now, but to shed tears over and refuse to play a game because of a monthly sub barrier is just unreal, from the niche people.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    So people paid a box price, that was more expensive than the sub fee, so the sub is the problem, makes sense. Debatable that people jumped into a fresh experience of course.


    But you will never take away that Aion has mainly failed on the west for the same reasons as Lineage 2 or any Korean grind-simulator. It was just harsh to level, the RNG system was unreasonable, horrible drop rate, dogshit PvE and this was during WoW peak era. Game was just simply unforgiving.

    There is nothing outside of yourself to justify if you want to pay a sub for a game or not, D tier or not.

    I am looking at the big picture, Aion was a success considering when it was launched especially, like literally peak WoW time lol. It is rapid decline, well I already explained. If you are looking for someone who says vague stuff, you look for Kotoro.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    Aion had millions of subs worldwide, NA/EU might not have peaked at million+ concurrent subs, but the point stands nevertheless what I wrote.

    If the game you want to play everyday does not deserve your 10-15$ a month, then why are you here.

    You say the game is trash and also having a sub fee on this trash game is a problem... Then again, why are you?

    There is at least one fair assumption to have, Aion EU should have more people than NA, even in a "dead" state. I am personally happy with 2-3k active players, because it is just enough for a game like Aion, obviously 1 server.

  • Aion Classic Discussion

    It has been a bit over 2 weeks since Aion EU classic had been announced, and the clash between 1.2 [...] people and the rest has not stopped, also the talk about sub fee.

    Before I get into anything, I am fine with both 1.5+(better 1.7+) or 2.0 release. Oh boy... this is a long one.


    People that say 15€ or 15$ for a monthly sub for a "gAmE lIkE aIoN" just does not cut it. When Aion first released it had millions of players/subs and many of those(us) at the time were kids with no job, now you are all grown up and you are incapable of spending 15$ on the game you loved/hated and still seek to play? Get real, do not blame your financial incapability on the game. And do not bring up the premium pass, no one forces you to pay 30$ for some AP and consumables. If the game does not have the sub count to make profit (or pure greed), it will always have some "pAy To WiN" in the cash shop, live with it.

    I have read people writing. "I can play this and that game for 15$, or this game for free which offers a lot more than Aion". Good, then go and play those, why are you here moaning kekw.

    Then we have the 1.2 people. I was obnoxiously hyped to play and try Aion with the 1.2 patch, as I went there with the PvP mindset... but this patch, frankly... is just dogpoop. First of all, Aion is not a PvP game, it is PvPvE, and as the history of MMORPGs can tell you the PvE(RP, crafters, etc) players are the ones that bring longevity to the game, not the PvP-centric players. Rest in Peace Warhammer: Online.


    1.2 has no fenris/miragent, no DP(quite a long run of PvE for a casual player), no dredgion, no 3rd stigma slot, and it is very-very abyss focused which equals flight combat. You dare to say you want your "nostalgic" feeling, but you have never even played 1.2 to begin with to have any nostalgia... lol. Then I have not even mentioned the stay 40 absolute [...], that farm levelling people which adds more towards less player retention.

    Then we have the super entitled people saying... "Thats it, if game releases with 2.0 I am not playing. 2.0 is not classic". NCSoft, you know this company that actually made Aion and brought Aion classic, stated that classic is 1.2 to 2.7, so you guys saying 2.0 is not classic is just so entitled, it reeks of modernity. What would make you play 2.0 if we started from 1.X? In a sense of Aion progression and how the game plays in general it makes no sense, apart from the fast campaign levelling that has a reasonable debate to it.


    Let's talk a bit about levelling. I was part of an open-recruit legion at the beginning of NA. I levelled up very quick to 50, and I basically skipped every "content" that you guys yearn for. But those people that were still mid 30 to 40 range post 2-3 weeks release were hard farmed by these stay 40 "pVp PlAyErS". Guess what they did, they quit the game, the most of them kekw. But you know, with the 2.0+ campaign EXP these people can make it to the end, new or not new player which might add towards player retention. I even had a friend, who was new to Aion in general and he quit because of stay 40 people killing him, everywhere.


    You all 1.2 [...] act like you want to enjoy your journey of 1 to 50 with 200 FT runs, 2-5 NTC runs, which might drop you something that you replace 10 levels later. Then there is literally no dungeon, you run DC for gear, you run SR(LOL) and you run adma/theo then everything gets deleted with 1.5 because DP+fenris gives better armor, better accs, better weapons (cries in glad, templar and chanter). Then 2.0 releases and everything but DP+fenris is "uSeLlEs" (cries in glad, templar and chanter) from 1.X. You act like this path of progression is unheard of, but it was and has been the progression path of Aion... well forever.

    In short, 1.2 literally adds nothing to the game and any patch beyond it, is a far better option for the general western people.

    The polls for which version to launch with, should have had 1.2, 1.5-1.9 and 2.0 as options. Just to give these 1.2 people a reality check.

    And a small bit to add... 1.X is absolutely imbalanced with 2.7 skill set and skill balancing, at least there is no instant cast or do you want that also for your "NoStAlGiC fEeLiNg"?


    Edit by Isobel: Disrespect.