Not sure if this free +15 gear, +9 stigmas etcs is temporary because I just returned, but if it is... dang I love it!
you keep it its not temporary items.
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tbh its a joke I was away so will miss it, they do it this way so people don't get things.
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Display MoreCan we atleast get a feedback if you are planing to release Aion Classic in this or in next year IF we get Aion Classic. If you can't anwser this question your company is operating under frivolous management.
Every company is planing/estimates on costs, revenue, profit, investments, etc in the begining of their accounting year. I never seen a company with "go with the flow" buisness model. Something new for me aswell.
You could easily said if we get Aion Classic we will go with this route with this payment model, with INT on language seperated servers, etc. You don't even communicate with your customers which is a strange behaviour. Are you paid by customers? You act/operate more like a public company who is financed by te state (via taxpayers money).
Or maybe that is your agenda 0 marketing, because you already now what kind of model you will release (same as NA) so for you it is better everything is on a hush hush so you can fast cash grab.
You don't have the right perspective, information, nor analysis of the situation. You seem to forget that there is one decisive factor that needs to be taken care of for the whole project to even come to an end.
There is no such thing as "go with the flow", everything is planned like for any other company. Doesn't mean it is the right time to share that type of info necessarily, there is a time for everything.
We do communicate, but so far only on the basis of what is certain or not and nothing is at this point (and I think it is a very fair way of communicating). We are of course considering all necessary topics in case we get AION classic. And in due time, everyone will be informed accordingly and in a proper manner. That is if we get the confirmation that we will actually have it.
It would be very bad from all possible perspectives to start sharing all sorts of details and then two months later explain that it will never happen. The day we do that, everyone will take it as a confirmation (a vast majority already took as a confirmation the little update I gave even though it was not) that we will get classic. Consequently, this would happen only when we have confirmation as I explained already in this thread. That is the only proper way to proceed.
You don't start marketing on a product before you are sure you will get that product, no one does that either and for very good reasons.
So you see, I disagree with you because I see or know no reasonable company that would handle this differently than we currently do as it is the most reasonable, meaningful and safest approach
so from what you are saying it is NCsoft holding this up with yes GF you can have classic or no they cant?
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So if I have 1 main account (SUB Siel) and I also create 100 F2P accounts by your standard you have 101 players but from publisher/Developer view I only pay for 1 what they get from the rest of 100 accounts I amde 0 they get only problems because those 100 accounts aren't for regular play but for illegal activities. If game is F2P the game will feel more active at first glance but when you look closer more boters then active players. If your definition of PVP is killing bots well for me that isn't comeptitive PVP. I rather have active players then those imaginery active players with F2P. The only F2P game who is in top 5 charts is Lost Ark. There is so many boters obvious it is F2P game that in single day they baned 1 mio booters.
The game was dead in 2010-2011 under those terms with all in their favor as ive said. Imaging in 2022 with none of those things.
Far from the truth if you look at that era it was active (still most yt pvp videos from that time). If you played it at that time you wouldn't state this BS. They changed the model because they misscalculated at lifespan of the game. Or it didn't have mass playerbase as WOW did at that time. It wasn't WOW killer (maybe their goal was to surpass it), so they tried with diffrent model and that was the biggest mistake they did.
Last time when we tried to discuss this you said go play dead game Aion Classic and you will play a man game (G2W), so I don't understand what is your agenda here posting if it is clear if you don't want to play Aion Classic. It is a free world but don't get it. Bravo to you aswell for taking down my 4-5 posts. Last time we discussed you vent offf playing a man game and reported all my posts. Just so we are clear I don't have nothing against you, but you wont see me at Lost Ark forum lurking there and stating this game is P2W, etc.
in 2010 / 2011 there was enough players, but the reason players left more so and then NCsoft changed to F2P and give GF Aion to run for EU was I believe how long it was taking to do the EU patches players were getting feed up of waiting. There was also a great deal of errors made or the lifespan of the game would have been a great deal longer, they had the PVE players and the PVP players and the PVE players did not like to get killed, so they started to change the game to try and make both pve and pvp players happy, they then made a big mistake with rifts, there were so many errors made over the time which made players leave.
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TBH Aion NA classic ended before it even started on the 1st day of release there were mess players quitting due to the candies and p2w, it was all over the internet and you could see it in game also, the next big issue was the mess bans for doing the repeat quests in SR, which NCsoft at 1st started they were banned correctly, then that changed to say they used the cheat to enter SR, and then the boxes came into it. by this time the servers were empty and players was really upset. NCsoft allowed the SR thing to carry on for so long, yet they knew about the bug due to it going on in KR. it was like NCsoft west did not know what they were doing or saying or how the game worked.
But the servers was empty by this time and that's when I left also, the game was so pw2 and not the Aion I started to play in 2009, to me its was all about money and a rip off of the player base.
The patches was also a big issue that made people leave they were taking so long to do any patches. not like KR was releasing them it was a mess from the start on NA
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I doubt GAMEFORGE can influance on what model NCSOFT will bring to the EU market. The best approach is for sure to not release the same model as in other countries, NA included. I doubt NCSOFT is that "stupid" to get negative attention before releasing their new game (Throne and Liberty). Which I am surprised even some BIG streamers are looking at it, which they don't even play Korean mmos.
I am positive they will release "good" model for the EU market atleast for 6 months + and maybe then take the plunge and introduce P2W items (when they release their new game). I hope they know that 30k playerbase is far better then 1k whales. It evens out on revenue but with 30k players game is alive atleast.
If their intention (both comapny) is to release the same model as in NA I would advice them not to release it, because same destiny awaits them.
Are you guys crazy or you dont know what game you are playing?
First and more important, Aion is an MMO with a very low population, compared to any other decent/top MMO. Second, the goal of the game is to grind better gear and most people do play with characters hidden because the bad performance in FPS, so they are not gonna make a living and win money just selling skins.
3rd, theres nothing Aion can do already to clean that P2W image. They will care for future games like Thrones, or gw1/gw2. So yes Aion will be P2W because it needs to be p2w due to low population and no viability to focus on skins like other games do.
What you can expect at MOST is to have a goldpack system instead of a subscription, daeva pass to be idk 12 euros instead of 30 euros, and the p2w shop items to be launching slowly or being very expensive at start. But yes there will be p2w in the shop, daeva pass etc... and its the only way to go at this point.
It is funny to see we have atleast one fanboy who defendes candies and other P2W stuff. Who said anyithing about only making revenue with only selling skins in shop? You do understand basic mathematics with sub 15 EUR 30k players is better then 1k whales right (in this case). Any MMO can be healthy if atleast with 10k playerbase, I am 100% Aion classic can surpass this with proper model on release. In NA it was proven they could easily have steady playerbase of 20-30k+ at start if not for the BS model. Maybe read my post again and just in case again to understand it. Nobody is denying there won't be any P2W stuff in Aion classic, it is about at what time they introduce it. They can go same as NA ALL IN model at start and look at what it become of the game you need to buy even stigmas in cash shop. No playerbase. On the other hand you can release a game with B2P+SUB and 100% there will be a healthy playerbase, if playerbase drops after 6 months you can introduce P2W items (smart approach).
If they release the same model as EU so many people won't even try it out the why they did in NA. What you and many people here don't understand is if this game has lower playerbase it ain't fun.
I take your word as "crazy" because me and probably 90% of people in this forum aren't willing to spend same as you and your "buddies" 160k EUR in BDO, 100k in Diablo Immortal. I laughed so hard on those people watching them to defend P2W model. With that money they spend on game I rather buy another appartment and rent it out.
I totally understand what you are saying and you are correct on so many points, if they being same model to EU Classic it will fail just as it did with NA, NCsoft understood at the release of Aion the players in the west was very diff to the players in KR that's why they tried to model the game for the west and make changes from the start.
But with classic so far its been on model for all, which is very sad, and i fear it will be the same for EU well I am sure it will be they will not change a great deal for EU its not worth there while TBH, i think and I will say it again Aion Classic was only a stepping stone for NCsoft till Aion 2 will be released after the delay due to covid, I believe it was to keep players to wait till Aion 2 come out and in that time they could make some money fast as well.
GF would have to ask for changes if it ever come to the EU would GF do this as it would cost money for them, and would NCsoft be willing to make the changes?
It would seem the classic model has in fact given them money thats why they will being the daeva pass into retail in 8.4, if it did not being money for them why would they put it to retail?
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tbh I think NCsoft only did Aion Classic to being in some fast money and keep players heads in Aion, until Aion 2 is released.
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Read a bit the NA forum. They decreased drop rate so much people can't even get stigmas/manastones anymore via normal world drop. They did it under the pretext of combating bots. However they fix the problem by indroducing them via cash shop for 5 dollars. Don't know how much this is true, but damn NA forums seems quite desperate.
I know there will be P2W stuff here aswell, but I do wonder if is from the start or later when the game progress. I always say if you want people to accept changes do it by small steps.In NA case they vent ALL IN from the start. If we do have the same as NA easily refuse to play the game. Will cherish the nostalgia feeling of the game from day one.
Don't mind paying for the game and paying for subscription. I do mind buying candies and other "P2W" stuff. For me for now more CONS then PROS for this game.
it was very P2W from start very sad to say it but that's the truth, NCsoft did not even seem to know the game they were running and banned a great deal of players for doing the in game thing and doing repeat quests. the players base dropped right from beginning and NCsoft did nothing except more mistakes that's when I left could not take any more, wanted to remember the real Aion for what it was back then and not what NCsoft made it into.
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What the everloving nyerk are those defence numbers? How are we supposed to do ~4x the damage in 25min? Divine Fortress didn't even open it's portal - probably because we didn't take the 2 keeps first, but how should we? No faction took more than 1 keep in it's region, some even took none at all.
Whatever NC's staff took before they made those changes must have been good stuff. Please contact NC about this problem and ask them to revent the defensive stats to 8.2 values (or at least give us an hour of time)
tbh it took us just over 15mins to take one fort in ingg we went to the 2nd and got to 2nd gate but could not take it down in time. could not test core and we know core would be harder to do then ingg not sure an hour would do it.
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I think tomorrow is going to be mad QQ about the mess ups with siege
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Galeas why was the instance entries changed, what was the reason be hide it? just been seeing some new or returning players come back its like new or returning players are not welcome, also for players that is still player instances give them something to do, so why was there a need for change?
Why was lurkers removed again for no reason, other then make it harder for players to get manastones?
It like you want to game to become harder like the game is only a few years old this game was released in 2009 in the EU, some 13 years ago, and changes being made there are no good reason for them to be changed its not like the game is being made better its being made worse. are you trying to lose the last players that are left playing?
Honestly, I don't know at all the logic behind it from NC.
maybe its time GF started to ask, Gf know when patches are coming, Gf are meant to know what its player base likes, so maybe asking about patches could only be a good thing and not leave your player base mad as hell with patches there are no need for.
As i feel more players will leave with this patch as its horrible and so much of it was not needed.
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I'm gathering the update feedback as always.
Good, here is my feedback:
The patch is crap.
Most instance entries changed for worse without any reason.
The 2 new pvp battlefields are crap, for that all other dreds were deleted.
No more chance to get missing apostle contracts full (beside waiting for en event once a year) because contract fragments from random boxes were deleted without any substitute.
Not the worst AION patch in history, but still crap.
Can you pls develop on "the 2 new pvp battlefields are crap"? That would help.
As for the fragments, we are working on something to replace it.
Galeas why was the instance entries changed, what was the reason be hide it? just been seeing some new or returning players come back its like new or returning players are not welcome, also for players that is still player instances give them something to do, so why was there a need for change?
Why was lurkers removed again for no reason, other then make it harder for players to get manastones?
It like you want to game to become harder like the game is only a few years old this game was released in 2009 in the EU, some 13 years ago, and changes being made there are no good reason for them to be changed its not like the game is being made better its being made worse. are you trying to lose the last players that are left playing?
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Hererim mine entries nerfed, Cube Laboratory entries nerfed, Senekta entries nerfed, Stella entries nerfed, Hidden Minionite entries nerfed, ToC entries nerfed, Beninerk entries nerfed, Ara entries nerfed, Beshmundir entries nerfed, Gelk/Inggi Raid changed from PvP/PvE to PvE only, 3 fortresses in Gelk/Inggi inbetween 25 minutes, Kamar Battlefield , Runatorium, Illumiel, Raging Valley, Neviwind, Ashuntal, Coop, Golden Crucible all deleted and replaced by 2 (two!) arenas instead for 1 (one!) hour at maintime, but low level crap like Fire Temple entries and Talocs entries buffed? Lmao, what a joke Gameforge.......
We didn't change anything, the changes are from the developer's side, NC in that case. Nothing we can do about it.
Oh wow, leave me alone with that argument, its as old as the game himself. You take (better took, stopped giving you money long ago) my money, you are my contact person not NC soft. If you make crap updates yourself or if you just accept crap updates made by NC soft makes no difference and this update is pure crap.
There is nothing to accept or refuse, the updates are what they are and we have to take them as they are.
GF has always been able to ask for changes from NCSoftGF GF have done it in the past when they wanted it to bring more money in.
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dont know when you all going to see classic is not coming to EU
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TBH there should be a way to get more extreme gear and its sad there not a way, if you want to get it ++++ to good lvl you need more then one part now and then.
I use to play a game that had the same system the gear would break, but the gear dropped so you collected 5 parts or so and started to + it, I made +17 gear on that game because you could get the gear to + yes a great deal did break but time doing it was rewarding not like Aion when you cant get the gear to make a good set to even start.
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I would like to talk about the '[event] instance Greenhaven Garden' - overall this instance is fresh and some kind of interesting but - is horrible long!... in my opinion it should last max 20 min.
dont get me wrong, the rewards are nice (skins), but... 60 min? for skin? thats crayziness... if there were a weapon chest I would understand this ...[60min long] but really? for some skins?
TBH i done it once and wont do it again.
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Shhh! Stahp. It's coming. It's almost here, literally. Ncsoft won't disappoint us!
But GF could lol
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well seeing as they are making retail same as Classic with the Daeva Pass there would need to be changes to the client.
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consider the fact that there is a certain someone who spent 40k euros a few weeks ago its time to milk him another 40k...
I'm so glad i left this crap
40k wtf
