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On topic: Sorc is a really bad class
bottom of the tier list
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Chanter SS. Sin S next to painter.
Edit by Isobel : Off-topic.
Posts by Aionjimme
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how many years it took them to do Hero trials? and you want a anti cheat..good luck with that
Everybody is always so negative, I still believe this game can become alot better.
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Zapiel can you filter these guys out please. Nobody is intrested in their personal grudge
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This list is 70% 1v1, 30% group.
Chanter B tier.. Any chanter that loses 1v1 with multiple sets is bad.
Chanter is unbeatable 1v1 if played correctly, in any patch. SS tier in group too.
Should be on top.Assassin is strong lately but you will never win a templar or chanter with equal gear and skill 1v1. They are hard counters, assassin is B-C tier in group too.
Should be lower.
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How do you even know that this particular guy uses no animation ? Both myAion and aiDPS are not able to measure animation speed of the AT while in mech.
Not sure if all the classes/chars have this but my tech gets AS bugged very often, like i'm seeing 1.2 AS while buffed but attacking like i have 2.0 which is very annoying :\Correct, this is exactly why serverside cheat protection is not reliable.
AT animations don't get logged by the server. We should not go too deep into this because then it gets too techinical, but long story short:There are too many exceptions, there is even a difference between male and female animation speed. GF would not be able to take actions against players accordingly.
you can get rid of majority of hackers just with server sided stuff without actually spying on legit players.
NO.
The only good kind of anti cheat protection that doesn't have drawbacks for the users is a server side one,
NO.
Serverside protection is not the solution, this has to do with how the game is coded..
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I want such software - many such brave players will be punish. If this will not exist, Aion will never be a fun
Without anti cheat players that use the cashshop will be punished..
You spend 1k monthly to get best things, a cheater with 0 euro in the game has the exact same animations, speed and even a better chance to win in pvp.
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And then again, no thanks for a garbage anti cheat software that's gonna make the game even more unplayeable than it already is, if GF really wanted to get rid of cheaters, they would've done it since a long time already
You need to be abit more optimistic. I read 'garbage, unplayable, drawbacks, tons of ploblems'.. but then please substantiate your feedback, you can even go technical with me.
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Display MoreIf Gameforge did actually care about cheaters, bots etc. they would have anti-cheat or catch-a-cheater programs even if it was used by themself.
They clearly could clearly get pretty cheap done a own no-animation catcher themself (especially if they have a coding team of their own) and use that program to catch no-animation users.
Although doing this comes the typical things Gameforge only will think about: It costs to build and they will lose a paying customer by banning someone.
Often you can also see a pattern with cheaters, that most cheaters are also those who spend most money in Aion Shop also. Some stop using no-animation after they got Kaisinel / Marchutan, although not everyone does.
It is kinda frustrating to see how many cheaters get away for years what they are doing and spoiling it for other players.
I really doubt we would see anti-cheat programs applied while the game is Published by Gameforge.Just give it up and move the moment you find a better MMO alternative, like the upcoming LostArk S2 or Elyon; Ascent infinite realm. They will never do anything about cheaters. It is perfectly clear by their actions and lack of even attempting to adapt a anti-cheat program, also they are too lazy to check logs so any support ticket is 100% ignored without hyper clear video evidence (Like we supposed to be 24/7 recording lol?) They know a lot of the cheaters for sure, they just don't care.
It's never too late for anti cheat.
A good example is ABP Reloaded, this game got infested by cheaters for years.. After implementing EAC the cheaters were little to none.
APB reloaded also has a small community, but the game has a cash shop and companies with a cash shop need to give their players some sort of insurance.
I mean we pay the salary of the employees, our contribution makes it possible for the company to even exists. -
Bad is one thing: if send a ticket with aidps meter's screenshot - support will reply, that this is not valuable material, documenting cheats
Reports like videos or aidps are ignored because they won't have evidence in court.
All reports without serverside evidence will be ignored.
I made this post because their anti cheat policy is gone and there is no protection in the game either. They became so lenient towards cheater that more are joining every week. -
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with a good stun pene rune + the green odian skill, they can completely ignore even remove shock and stunlock you through everything
Mind explaining, I might know the wrong formula or there's something wrong in what you say D:
RS gives you 2000 stun resist (aka 200% chance to resist any stun etc)
Deadly Focus - 200 stun penetration
Green Odian - 500 stun penetration
You still have 1300 stun resist over the sin stun penetration.
Then if we add rune to that:
With +5 Stun Penetration rune that would be 1000 so still no way to stun.
With +7 rune, you still have 90% chance to resist (including the sin got all other buffs on)
With +10 rune, you would still have 75% chance to resist a stun
With +15 rune, you will have 50% chance to resist the stun (and so 50% chance to get stunned)
I don't really think sin can realisticly get that high stun pene to go through RS.
That aside I pretty much agree with your tier list, but i would put gunner in the SS tier due to their massive burstablity and [imo] too great survival tools.
+9 rune in +2 runeslot gives +17 aka 900stun penetration
With green odians +7 I'm at 1845 stun penetration as AssassinWith a +10 rune you even get +150 on top of that and +2 slot for green odians brings you at 2065 stun penetration
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You both talk about server side protection but I've looked into this.. At max you can log animations or check who is being targeted in stealth, but even that is not reliable.
ALL OTHER CHEAT SOFTWARE is just memory reading and writing.. If you have looked into it then you will see that the benefits do actually weigh up..
Also every game with huge communities has some sort of AC, fortnite even has external companies doing it so, if it was really that bad games wouldn't use it.
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I've looked into from a dev pov, you make 3 valid points but they are all untrue.
1. We already have serverside anti cheat developed by NC
2. Any drawbacks for client side cheat protection can be solved with exceptions
3. Client side cheat protection will actually stop all the cheats out there and no they won't find another way
The milking aion stuff, anti cheat is not that expensive and the whales you talk about are players like me that are bored spending more then 1k a month for the game that allows 20% of the community to cheat. I wonder what I do it for.And on top of that, no, there is no decent server side protection. Tools to check animation speed like myaion or aidps can easily detect noanimation, they just need to add a similar system directly to the server and ban whoever starts attacking faster than he should.
Ah you editted your post, atleast some normal reply.
Yes I agree, serverside can still improve aswell, but then only 50% is covered. The other 50% is actually client side. We need client side protection because alot of the cheats have to do with memory manipulation on the client.
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3. Client side cheat protection will actually stop all the cheats out there and no they won't find another way
Isn't xigncode client sided? Everyone capable of googling know how "well" it works, only thing it stop is 12yo kids from using their gaming mouse software, everyone else just bypass it.
Hmmm I think if it is coded well, it's hard to bypasss but the downside is that the software needs to be maintained.
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I'm not being paranoid, players know they get logged so they hide it.
Even so how many times you see someone on dpsmeter with no-anim.
That is without the bots and radar hacks included.So if you can't give constructive feedback regarding the topic and points you made but resort to personal insults instead I have nothing to say to you.
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I've looked into from a dev pov, you make 3 valid points but they are all untrue.
1. We already have serverside logging developed by NC
2. Any drawbacks for client side cheat protection can be solved with exceptions
3. Client side cheat protection will actually stop all the cheats out there and no they won't find another way
The milking aion stuff, anti cheat is not that expensive and the whales you talk about are players like me that are bored spending more then 1k a month for the game that allows 20% of the community to cheat. I wonder what I do it for. -
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Since KR went f2p there is alot more money involved from us players supporting GF and NC and I have the feeling this post should already been made 5 years ago.
Why does this game has no cheat protection?
- Are there technical issues?
- Is it too expensive?
- Problems with privacy laws?
I mean even private servers have it, KR has it.I had a discussion with the GMs too and from a software engineer pov I can only see one solution to the whole problem and that is client side cheat protection.
Now we really have to face it, I'm not going into details for the sake of the game but something has to be done, if you keep going like this you will shoot yourself in the foot one day. -
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Just a small recap about last stigma event.
27-05 - Event came after maintenance wednesday.
27-05 - No stigma bundles in the cash shop
27-05 - Everybody went on discord to buy from other players that had massive amounts
28-05 - Everybody had full +15 the next day because players sold for 50cent each try
30-05 - Finally bundles on cash shop, but nobody needed them anymore
03-06 - You almost made no money and on top of that event only lasted one weekI mean it's obviously a marketing mistake. If you want to make money, stigma events need to be more often and longer so players can atleast impulse buy for alts or whatsoever. Also waiting so long means players will mass up stigma stones from gold ingots and sell cheaper then your shop and there is nothing you can do about it.
Anyway thank you for last event, I really hope there will be more and longer events in the near future Galeas
