Posts by failboat

Quote from Shadow

There is no real advantage for you having kkk of kinah.

90% or kinah is spend in items from broker.

You took your own experience and generalized to everyone. I can assure you that I personally spend 0% kinah of buying things from broker for quite some months. I don't need anything from there, on the contrary, I have stuff to sell all the time. I use the kinah to roll perfect stats, to enchant, to buy stigma stones and other things. I farmed a little compared to many others but for me this little amount of kinah has great value and I don't have to spend my time to afk in luna on alts or farm holy tower on all alts, so I can afford getting proper stats and proper stigmas. I wasn't doing that bad before this event, compared with lots of others that are poor af but after this event, if they decide to let it be, I can do something else with this wasted time now.

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You get 1 random map every 4h from being online and 2k maps from looting in league. You dont need to be genious to know its fishy.

You're right but when was the last time things made sense? Most of the past events (Grogget and others) have been ridiculous, with some items put in there that is easier to farm in the game. Now in other current event you can spend hard earned legendary enchant stones to buy etium. Spend 10 euros in the shop to buy one legendary stone, when you can get it in the game in 5 minutes. Things aren't properly thought out or properly tested for quite some time.

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Joined the zombie wagon yesterday for the 1st time, opened 8 boxes and got bored. The amount of kinah, splen accs and senekta weapons feels so bad.

Like playing on a terrible "private" server where you get everything day 1 and uninstall next day xD

Simply 0 effort. 0 fun. No goals. Everything except farming maps is meaningless.

Now you know the feeling of playing a KR mmo and what's the final purpose of it. You can see those KR streamers buying everything in one day but they don't quit the game. They want kinah? There is 100kk box of kinah in the shop, 24h cooldown and last 365 days. There is 10kk kinah boxes if you need more. Do you need manastones, enchants, contracts? All in the shop. They get everything fast and then what's left to do? Even easier since it's a common practice there to buy a fully geared account. There are no set goals for these players, like farming everything for hours and months in this game that we forgot for what we play the game. With this event, we are a bit like those KR streamers, suddenly having a lot of things at our disposal, except not only the p2w have access to them but the rest of the plebs too. I for one would appreciate the kinah boxes to not be just for the p2w players like in KR.

But of course, this event has its ups and downs. It's like a drinking night with friends and going overboard. You know that the next day it's going to be terrible but you still do it now because you enjoy it.

At this point it's too late for a rollback. On the other hand, if someone is starting new, selling one GP would be enough to get started in the game, rolling their gear, expanding their inventory and so on.

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A little kinah in the event would be fine but 100kk in one minute is just plainly ridiculous.

So this is how much a ninja makes? The rest of are doing 30-60 every 3 minutes.

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Quote from Nuke

P2w still wins. If I buy a Gp and sell it the 50kk price from one week ago is now 500kk. P2w does not care of in game currency because it's based on €. Take it as a change in the Kinah/€ value.

Nope, it doesnt work like this unfortunately. Kinah has no value right now. Before event you could make money from instances, selling a manastone you got from pass, killing mobs and selling crafting materials or gathering titania. Now 90% of the server is printing money. Broker is empty right now, what you gonna do with that p2w kinah? Buy 10 splen earrings? xD

Kinah value is always decreasing over time if you let the game go on and on. There is nothing we can do. Aside from this event, players are always printing money. Like I explained before, it's not like in real life where there is a finite amount of money that is circulating. Here in the game, players are printing money (kinah) all the time but at a slower pace than this event. There is no bank giving them kinah or have to go through broker to earn their kinah, although it's possible but not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the fact that kinah is always generated since the start of the servers and every single player can generate kinah (print money). In older games where there was no reset or anything, most veteran players are siting on unimaginable mountains of currency. It was already happening in Aion by the end of 5.8, players having so much kinah (I had around 50b at some point) because you played for so long and trading for many years. Yet players were still trading of playing or farming. It was 6.0 that introduced this hard reset and from time to time events that were eating kinah from players but in general the inflation is inevitable. This inflation would have happened already in a couple of years without this event, but this event just accelerated that. There are already lots of players printing money with luna, being afk, doing nothing, and this is just the same but faster.

And about buying stuff from broker, what do you want to buy with kinah that you cannot farm yourself in the game? Excluding luna, gp, shop skins and other shop items. Here the problem is with the game, as a lot of things can be farmed but takes time. In the old Aion you could have farmed everything yourself and never depend on the broker but since 6.0 things got the way they are. Lets wait until crafting materials and items can be put in account warehouse and things will be a bit better. Then 7.5 is changing the game a lot. A lot of the current stuff is slowly phasing out and I expect even more items will be obsolete by the next update (8.0 or whatever). A lot of the things can be farmed and bought by being active yourself, gaining reputation, and you won't depend on broker. Kinah didn't lose it's value since gear enchanting and rerolling is still the same, npc prices are still the same, gold sand shop items are still at the same price. In theory, there is nothing you need from broker aside from GP, and if you buy that yourself you need nothing. I lived just fine without broker for quite some time. The economy through broker was bad, people didn't sell farmed items but event items, the farmed ones were sold by bots. Now the broker is over and you have to farm things yourself. So the game will still survive. The problem is right now is that you're forced to do this event to get as much as possible from it, until they probably change that special map reward.

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Despite all of the good and bad aspects of this event COULD YOU NOT HAVE MADE THE AREAS TO OPEN CHESTS ANY SMALLER? The designers for these events are so bad, not only allowing others to ninja loot but also to squish all elyos and asmos into one tiny space to open boxes ;facepalm

I don't think the event was designed this way in the first place, having what we have right here in mind. Even then, it's bad design to have a fixed spot that you know where it is for both factions, in a pve event. I have no idea what those KR developers were thinking. I thought that Andre event was bad designed but this is worse designed when it comes to griefing. Right now we can't complain because there is an infinite number of boxes for everyone, but just saying.

Regarding maps and kinah, I'm sure that Gameforge also doesn't have an alliance of testers to test the event, so this event probably went live unchecked, like other previous events. They assured us that it's working as intended, but does the PD know about this or it will find out when he will see the numbers after? Was it intended to set something else in motion?

Anyway, without the special map the event is okay, not too broken, but with the special map added, all that extra kinah, it went overboard. I got bored already after farming 1kkk, no idea how other players can stay and farm ten times more.

The only time to react to this is next week because after than there are holidays and most likely no maintenance for 2 weeks, but after that it's way to late for a rollback. Even a rollback next week will create some uproar because players invested a lot of time in the game, others fused contracts and so many things besides this event. Now that is weekend, we will have to see what they have to say next week.

But lets say it's totally intended and things will stay this way. How things will go from here? In a way it feels like those (p)servers or test servers, where you have everything at your disposal and all you have to do is pvp and ejoy the game however you like it. Strange is, there are still a lot of players donating there, so saying that players won't invest in this game anymore is not really substantiated. And then you have a more even field, more players having access to more content and not struggling anymore, while before only a few who invested had advantages. But this is a good thing now.

I don't know, I wrote a lot of nothing today because I'm still confused about this event, what were they thinking, what will happen and so on. I got mixed feeling overall: this is better for the majority but worse for fewer; it's just a game, play however you want it; broker is kaput, time for everyone else to farm their own stuff; I was with one foot almost quitting, I can always do that anytime soon (sure...); (P)servers set up this way aren't bad but lack population that we have; Hmm I can probably make my stigmas +12 or +15; I have to be glued to this game for a few weeks but this is boring; What about new players (who am I kidding). There are positive and negative aspects and I can't wait to see how this all ends.

Quote from twardy

No, we cant all be rich because work of a programmer is not worth the same as someone's that drives a bus. Loaf of bread doesnt cost the same as a luxurious yacht.

In theory comunism is the best social and economic system because all people are equal (all people are rich xD)

No, the basics of economy work the same ingame and in real life. More money -> prices go up. Thats why gold packs go for 200kk right now and thats why we had crit strikes 58 for 2kk during meteorite event.

Aince it's getting derailed, I'll put it with spoiler

Quote from Vis

twardy i think it's pointless to discuss this so easy rules of IRL economic, coz this is basis which must know each adult human xD if they don't undertand it, you will not change it coz it's too late, if man doesn't understand it at his 25+ y.o. he will not undertand it never xD

for ppl who continue to save this event just put yourself on place of:

- p2w peoples

- ppl who endgeared

- ppl who have billions kina before this event

- ppl who spend RL money and sold 50+ GPs at this monday or tuesday by 60kk-70kk per each

just imagine one minute to be on place of this ppl.

- what force to continue game if they loose so much real profit from selling euros->GP and other stuff?

- what the difference in gear right now between man, who spend 24h/7d online and man, who just come, farm 3kkk+ per day and will have the same gear after few days?

- what the difference between ppls who crafted, done activity trading/selling few items/gear etc(traders by one word), who had 10kkk+ before this event/ what the differecnt right now?

this categories forces online of game to grow up, this categories does basicly economic of this game.

this event just made their hard work (IRL euros->virtual GP = kina, spending much time online = good gear+much kina, spending time by crafting/farming pve and sell of it/farming pvp = good gear + much kina) absolutley pointless and killed all profit and point of their game time, just think about that

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That's the fault of the developers, publisher and ultimately, the mentality of new players. Years ago before this p2w thing, there was no game content in the shop and you couldn't shorten your character development with real life money. I mentioned mentality because after so much p2w ingrained into the game, players expect that after investing money they should achieve ingame advantages over other players. Players should spend money to gain stuff for themselves (skins, pets, mounts, inventory etc) or to support the game, and not expect to gain advantages, to p2w their way to the top. Now that this game got to this point, it's the fault of development and publishing parties. No game content should be in the shop, ideally, then you don't have those problems mentioned. It's a direct result of p2w.

Quote from twardy

Wow, another one xD How can everyone be rich? Why governments dont print money? Why not make everyone rich?

WHY?!?!!? Its so simple xD

If you're talking about real life then in theory everyone can be rich and have stuff that they need, if everyone would work and produce something. We exchange services among ourselves and we are a lot of people on this planet, so a lot of demand. In theory we don't even need money for doing that. Money is a tool and not an objective to achieve being rich.

Governments do print money all the time but it is contributing to the slowly but surely increasing inflation (by other means) every year. Every country in this world had a stronger value of money in the past. In real life people do make lots of money from thin air and that thin air is called debt. The more rich you appear to be, the more in debt you are, which is something recurring among all the rich countries and companies. You get in big debt to be able to have a big amount of money, which doesn't equal being rich, invest in something that is bringing you even more money, and so on and on. You're not even generating goods, your just circulating money at some point, more like numbers, to get even bigger numbers. If you are saving money, you're on a path to become poor like everyone else. Saving money means not buying goods, not stimulating the economy. It's turning into a big vicious circle that is all paid by all of us working at the bottom of the pyramid. Nobody is paying debts, not a single country, all because it's impossible or quite disastrous. Everyone is in debt to someone else, the richer countries are the most in debt. The real life economy has more layers and it's counter-intuitive. We are not exchanging goods like in the game anymore, or like in the far past when banks didn't exist.

Ingame economies do not work the same as in real life and real life have multiple closed economies working on other principles. This is why I think the Venezuela example is, besides a funny joke, not something that has a corespondent in a game economy.

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Unless you do a rollback, I personally think this is game over

In a way it's over either way. The event is damaging part of the game but if they do a rollback, quite a lot will straight quit the game. If they leave it like this, the broker will be totally unusable. But the game will not fall apart entirely. You can still do pvp, go to sieges and farm pvp stones, go to instances and to farm AP, farm altars for coupons, morph ultimate stones. You can use kinah to buy stuff from gold sand shop, useful things. For current players, mostly some items like manastones will suck but they can be farmed/crafted in time. For a new player, it's another story.

I don't buy things from broker so for me it's whatever. I think that now you guys have the kinah, you can start farmings materials for crafting manastones, do world bosses, do pandora, katalam and what else for these manastones, that until the next meteorite event or something similar.

For now you can do whatever. A lot of players I see them being happy because they finally got rid of the chore that is farming kinah for months, for rolling stats or stigma stones or other things needed in the game. Since most of the things are untradable, kinah was already a bit useless in the sense of currency. On the other hand, some players already made kinah from thin air for a year, running hundreds of characters as a single person, afking luna (you can read on shady forums), but there was already nothing much to buy.

I guess that after discovering the perpetuum mobile, some players don't know what to do anymore. Well, for once, there is pvp in this game. Players can try and be like those KR streamers that never farm any pve or buy stuff from broker and pvp all day long, or work towards their pvp gear. I for once I can see a good part, saying goodbye to this daily routine to farm kinah that is keeping me like a slave every day (for a year) so I can afford rolling perfect stats, expand my inventory (almost 400kk next level), buy stigma enchants and so on, although it's traded for another type of slavery routine (this event). I haven't bought items from broker for many months, I'm not going to start now. On the other hand, a mountain of gold fell upon and and some players don't know what to do or how to do it to keep it for themselves and hope others don't get it. What is bad with other players that are struggling with 5kk in inventory to finally have kinah to roll stats and afford gold sand shop items? This isn't Venezuela or other real life examples because in the game your time has the same value and you can still farm things yourself or with a group/ally, you don't have to buy your shoes like in real life and totally depend on others. A game is self sustaining and items always come out of thin air. In the end it's about having fun together and not about logging in and farming pve instances all day on alts to afford rolling stats and enchant our stuff. In the end, a game is what you want to be, it's not always about economy, which was almost extinct prior to this event and now gone for good.

Although I quoted you, this isn't about you and what you wrote, as I mostly agree with it. I just think that the other side also has valid explanations for keeping this event. Tbh the event is so weird and uninspired that I don't know what to say more about it and deal with it. For now it's there, lets see how it goes on.

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EDIT: On topic: events that give people the opportunity to ninja stuff are always going to be relatively bad, even if the rewards are good, which seems to be the case.

I don't get those players. You're able to farm your own stuff freely, no need to ninja anything. Makes no sense.

Pure luck.

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People have never seen such good events and it disturbs them.

Guys, just relax and have fun. It's Christmas time. Don't think about economy- it will be ok.

😘😀

What economy we had to begin with? Almost everything is untradable. Those pve (and pvp) enchants you don't find anymore on broker come from veteran retards (GP) or from weekly atreia pass (GP). Ingame source of enchants can't be traded. Most of the splen items (pve) come from events, not crafted. It's also second rate gear compared with instance. The mats for this gear are mostly sold by bots. A lot of tradable things on broker come from farming events, like those ultimate manastones. I personally haven't bought anything from broker in many months, mostly because it's off putting, broker bots and because I played less.

The only economy is around GP, buying and selling stuff (mostly gear) through GP. Kinah is almost secondary currency in this game and farmed mostly by afking or illegitimate means. That's the only thing that will suffer for now.

In a way it's the same story as old 5.8. Inflation, GP prices rises, gear/enchants becomes obsolete. That's almost the same now, as 7.5 is slightly phasing out current enchant stones and introducing infinity stones, and newer gear. Current gear and enchants will become obsolete in time, so having it free (pve enchants and items) now it's only temporary enjoyment. They always find new ways, new items to be introduced in the game and spend your time farming them while phasing out older items.

Now you can finally roll your perfect stats, you can finally buy your weekly stigma stone (you need lots), can try harder instances and enjoy the game more. The game is losing a lot of players and it's hard to find players for a lot of things. This will probably keep some in the game for now.

This event is a double edge event and we will see what will happen.

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It will keep people in the game because people think that in a scenerio where everyone gets 50m euros... they are all millioners now lol.

Numbers got bumped from ~30% on stormwing to around 50%, 1 month after all these "events" 20% will be a very high number.

You will enchant your gear, reroll your stats and all that stuff... what you gonna do later in this game? Snipe broker to buy ult manastones for 500kk because you have billions of useless kinah?

It may be funny when you say new or returning players but in the long run this game needs new ppl... You join this game in february and gold packs go for 300kk. What you gonna do? Makarna duo 4 runs gives about 50kk. Duo, you cant duo it as a new player. Of course if we gonna have gold packs on the the broker. Paying players may not be interested in buying gold packs when the kinah has no real value after this event.

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I was already prepared to leave this game for good, what does it matter now that this game go up or down for me? Look at the positive part, I might be here to see the world (of atreia) burn.

I didn't buy manastones and I don't buy. I still have leftover ultimate and legendary manastones from the meteorite event. There will be more manastones events, some that didn't come yet. And I'm not sure but I think manastones will be one of the tradable items through account warehouse in the future, so I can trade those useless manastones from alts on my main. Legendary are more affordable, as I can trade those weekly bags from other veteran accounts. But what's the point of getting best manastones when new gear in 7.5 doesn't use them? Most of the stuff you get now for 'free' from events you will be able to get with insignia of experience, or buy it cheaper in 7.5 by being active. I don't buy GP either since I have many years of active GP and nothing to get useful with them (not even elite is worth it).

Quote from Griver83

People have never seen such good events and it disturbs them.

Guys, just relax and have fun. It's Christmas time. Don't think about economy- it will be ok.

😘😀

What economy we had to begin with? Almost everything is untradable. Those pve (and pvp) enchants you don't find anymore on broker come from veteran retards (GP) or from weekly atreia pass (GP). Ingame source of enchants can't be traded. Most of the splen items (pve) come from events, not crafted. It's also second rate gear compared with instance. The mats for this gear are mostly sold by bots. A lot of tradable things on broker come from farming events, like those ultimate manastones. I personally haven't bought anything from broker in many months, mostly because it's off putting, broker bots and because I played less.

The only economy is around GP, buying and selling stuff (mostly gear) through GP. Kinah is almost secondary currency in this game and farmed mostly by afking or illegitimate means. That's the only thing that will suffer for now.

In a way it's the same story as old 5.8. Inflation, GP prices rises, gear/enchants becomes obsolete. That's almost the same now, as 7.5 is slightly phasing out current enchant stones and introducing infinity stones, and newer gear. Current gear and enchants will become obsolete in time, so having it free (pve enchants and items) now it's only temporary enjoyment. They always find new ways, new items to be introduced in the game and spend your time farming them while phasing out older items.

Now you can finally roll your perfect stats, you can finally buy your weekly stigma stone (you need lots), can try harder instances and enjoy the game more. The game is losing a lot of players and it's hard to find players for a lot of things. This will probably keep some in the game for now.

This event is a double edge event and we will see what will happen.

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I guess most players just expected that they can (easily) have two forms and now they're just disappointed.

But it was clear that they will take away old event items and I don't get how one could expect gf to leave the items

It was like that in earlier days, like for example one could use the snowflake items from an earlier event in order to have an advance "against other players", now this is not the case and it is totally legit.

Did it take long to think all that? You can't have multiple forms from this event because you get one single reagent from the shop. No matter how many items you previously collected, only one contract is possible to combine, just like before. I had 34 leftover from previous event because I was more active every day and got lots of 3, and guess what, it didn't grant me a second contract last time either. The reason players asked for these now deleted items was to not waste so many hours every day for 20 days, especially when now so many will take vacation away from home, or others that want to play some alts to make a little kinah, and whatever else and don't have the luxury to leave things overnight. And part of those who can afk all day at home, glued to the pc lots of hours every day, will find out 20 days later that is still not a transform for their class. It's not for multiple transform, it's just for one, and players are asking reasonable times or ways.

Forget playing on other characters for fun or making kinah, forget vacations and other real life stuff, do people realize what 5 hours every day for 20 (almost straight) days means? This they get addicted so much that they lost track of the value of time and other values? For a game? 'Be happy and thankful for free things' they say. You know what, the mud on my front door also comes free.

For GF is a pattern that every time an event comes around a second time, it's nerfed. Every single time. For them it's all about having as many players numbers online and constrict the player's content, either from ingame activities or real life activities. This is my feedback. For some these events might be enjoyable but for me these winter events seems not great. The good thing is that you can leave Aion behind for a while and do something else this month.

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srly.. please make a dam schedule about YOUR events Gameforge.
November ZERO events!
Stop with the F2P events when the one that actualy worths doing is the P2W one.
1 Event every 2 weeks is better than 3 at once no metter HOW CRAP they are. ( cuz they are )
Please consider that some people dont work in offices

That's the new strategy. Put as many events as possible, having the mirage of getting so many things at the same time, so that players invest time in all of them, although none of them worth doing. If it was just one and players tried that one, players would give up easily and don't participate in the event anymore . With more events, at least they have a chart saying that players participate in events, so they must be good events and so they have done their work. There is also the possibility that once you're involved in the events, some of players might be getting the missing items (that you very much need them) from the shop.

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I just asked yesterday one of the korean streamers, he has stated to unlock Kaisinel or Marchutan you now pay 500$ (450€).

Not sure if info is correct or not.

It's correct but still rng. Their legendaries are not expensive. No idea how it is now but there was a limited sale that I saw on a stream a few months ago, around 2200 quna for a legendary contract ( 4320 quna = 99000 = 75 euro). Considering their average salary is a few times over half of Europe, it's not that expensive there. I suspect that from that time, better offers have been in the shop.

Flaming.

- Zapiel

Contains an ultimate PvP Enchantment Stone - just 1

In a later 7.2 patch, shugos spawns around altars but they are entry npc for the new cube instance. I very much doubt it's that and it's some event related thing.

Is the prize listed the whole thing you get or it's random and you get only one item from the list of card event? This happened before, listing a whole prize list and only one could have been obtained. An event with pure luck involvement.

Another event with weapons we can't get with things obtained by normal farming.

And finally one where is just down to asmo vs elyos and only 1 is winning.

Is there any event I'm missing right now and plebs can do it and get something from it?

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Permanent Marchutan Form contract as jackpot prize for (credit) cards event + legendary contract, yet nothing but crumbs for normal players. This is surely not what I wanted to see in the future of Aion. Shame on you guys at Gameforge. Close this topic already.

Isn't the reward just one random item from the list and not the whole thing listed as a prize? I think this happened before, as the reward was just one item listed there. Anyway, never ever got close to get all cards all these years this card event was running.

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Meanwhile in Korea....

https://aion.plaync.com/board/…d=0&viewMode=list&size=20

Lineage 2M failed

I don't think it's directly related to this topic. Anyway, a post on the Aion KR prove nothing. It's 500k installs in a few days, with some pluses and minuses, but is still 500k installs. That is a lot compared with anything Aion related. In fact, they have 43k reviews on google apps with a 4.1/5 score. Most complaining are about server queue or that their phone doesn't run or doesn't run the game smooth. Sooner or later, some that don't like the game or doesn't have a powerful enough smartphone will uninstall it. I think it's a success for them but we will see better at the next earning chart.

Well yep I think they installed because it's a new game and had so much expectations anyway I watched character creation on L2M and I know it's failed because you can't customize your character not even hair color.

But like I said don't worry NC will fix it either like FF14 reborn or add character creation to p2w I don't know.

I'm probably going to install L2M when it goes global myself to see how much space it took and how my phone can handle it then uninstall.

Eh ? I guess you can watch gameplay now but if you're too lazy just read comments on youtube.

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I think this should deserve another topic on its own, as it's not anymore related, but I'll respond to it.

Watching vashiro's stream for a brief time yesterday, I got reminded over and over again that besides all the p2w and all it's missing content problems, the current content isn't playable. Basically, he got boss reset a few times. This happened to a lot others. How many times the game is behaving differently than it is supposed to be? How many times I got pissed of in Stella or PW, because of these bugs? You can't even advance further in PW, although it's supposed to be viable for everyone.

Not only that NC is not testing their own patches they send but our testing team, our QA team is nonexistent if they let such patches go through and push it to the live servers. The same is happening with events, as so many times they went wrong. The customers are the ones testing this game. You can see how much they care about this game at this point.