So far I have mostly liked your posts and your argumentation chain was logical and based on common sense. On most of this I cannot agree tho. I will try to cover why, but it is way to much to cover tbh.
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I can understand either side. In a way, it's pretty comparable the two of them. Right now, how do you generate kinah? I'm not talking about making kinah which everyone suggest, by selling stuff through broker and get preexisting kinah farmed by others through a broken event. The drops in instances seems awful, compared with the time invested. Kinah is once again not a big player in the game since everything seems to take insignia rather than kinah but the broker still deals in old currency. The point being, kinah is scarce if you didn't get to participate in that ganker event.
You make kinah the same way as always and before the granker event. By selling stuff and farming instances. Generating kinah is a bit harder now, not arguging with that. PW NM takes me about 12-15 min and grants ~20mil kinah. Makarna NM is about 10min and 8-9mil kinah. I do this on 3 chars every week, therefore I personally do not bother with doing solo Stella EM or any other instances you do in a group to sell the loot. Then again, there are let's call them "unconventional" methods of getting kinah aka Aion Free to trade on discord.
Talking about myself here. I obviously know that newer or less geared player won't be able to do all of that. Then again I am realistic enough to not believe that there are even many new player. Insignias do cost ~560k kinah each. Shouldn't forget that. Gonna be a big point below.
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Convert your generated kinah to ingots and you can buy 2 stigmas every week. You need to farm kinah and buy 2 stigmas on multiple characters because 2 a week is incredibly low amount. There is also fame level for more but it's still low ammount. Just my own experience, I was burning through a stack of 80 stigma stones to get a single stigma from +12 to +15 and no success. Now imagine getting from 0 to +12, where rng can screw you as well. I had stack of stones since 5.x and enchanting since then. How many years is that? If you are new, you have a better chance at winning kaisinel at some random lamp event, rather than having +15 stigmas.
Maths part #1:
2 Stigma ench stones per week per char = 12 x 26mil = 312mil = 24 stigma ench stones
+ fame lvl Red Kata + Dumaha = 2x4 for 5 insignias each = 40 x 560k = 22,4mil
312m + 22,4m = 336,4mil for 32 Stigma ench stones (not calculating multi chars buying from fame npc) + 1 Hometown lvl 4 for 5 Insignias = 33 Stigma ench stones for 339,2mil.
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Contracts can be famed as well, if you put in the time, which is an absurd amount of time. Farm esoterrace on all 12 characters and get a yellow contract in one and a half months on each of them. Fusing them has a greater % than stigmas after +9. Then farm ariel or whatever fragments you get for your fame for legendary contract fragments each week. You get a free once, once every 2 months. Then there is more sources of green onces, every week.
Fusing ancient contracts might have a higher chance than enchanting stigmas, but the output is random. You can get an ancient dupli, ancient non dupli, legendary dupli or legendary non dupli. What you did not mention is that you also do get a fragment from Makarna HM, which lowers the time of getting your contracts. Sure, not every alt is able to run Makarna HM.
As for the ariel and azphel fragments which you can get from:
Inggison (home town) Lvl 7 (4) and Lvl 9 (4) Azphel
Enemy home town Lvl 7 (4) and Lvl 9 (4) Ariel
Silentera Canyon Lvl 5 (1+1) Lvl 7 (1+1) Lvl 9 (1+1) Ariel/Azphel
Which results in 7 fragments per week for each transformation.
Maths Part #2
Each fragment costs 15 Insignias of Exp = 14 x15 = 210 x 560k = 117,6mil
Reminder, I do only calculate with 14 x 15 for costs, not for the actual progress of the transformation which is still 7/100.
It will take you 14 weeks (3 1/2 months) to get each transformation. And each transformation will cost you 1500 Insignias of exp = 840mil kinah.
The first one wont count as a potential 6/6 fuse as you have no dupli.
8 x 840mil = 6.720bil kinah in 14 months.
For 6.720bil kinah you can buy 653 Stigma ench stones with the method shown above. Even more if you take in consideration to not use the gold sanshop at all and only do it over fame npcs. That would be 2.400 stigma ench stones.
Totally neglecting the efford and time you need to get the fame lvls on the diffrent maps, especially the enemy maps and silentera. Is this an option for you? Might as well have a new patch until you finish.
Obviously you could argue now with "Ohhh but you can do it on multiple chars to lower the time!!!!!!!!!!!" well, no. Even tho I said neglecting the time and efford it takes to lvl up the maps, nobody on eu will have lvl 9 on diffrent chars and maps in any reasonable time. You can see at Tessi s post how far he got with active playing so far. And we do have 7.5 for a month now already. At this point, he's further than me.
Anyways, even if you make it to get hands on the 6 Apostles you face a 13,75% to get your ulti xform. Let's add that you would have been a hard working bee and farmed ancient contracts in the same time you farmed the exp for 12.000 Insignias of Exp. In 14 months you can do 9,3 ancient contracts per char. 9 x 12 = 108 which are 18 attempts for a leg fuse. The weekly shop item costs 25mil kinah = 2.7bil kinah.
Now let's assume you are so lucky to get a dupli legendary contract everytime you fuse.
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Comparing the two of them now. Stigmas have to go through rng each step, same as fusing white to green to yellow and so on. You get more
stigma stones than contracts each week but stigmas have to go through 15 levels of enchanting while contracts are only going green/yellow/purple/red, although you need to burn 6 at a time. And you need at least 6 stigmas to be +15 to get your improved vision, then at least 3 more to get the nice effect from each improved, while ultimate transform you need only one to get it. If i was burning through hundreds of yellow contracts as I was burning through hundreds of stigmas to get them +15 from +9, the chance to get kaisinel would be pretty much the same, wouldn't you agree?
I guess at the ends it is everyones personal opinion if they think they can get an ulti form with 108 ancient contracts + 6 legendary dupli contracts or get their stigmas up to the desired lvl with 3.4k stigma ench stones.
From my ingame experience I can only tell that I see alot more people with Improved stigmas than with ulti transforms. Mentionable here is that only a miniority which has an ulti form, does not have improved stigmas.
I think the biggest issue here is that most think that I do think the game is okay in the state as it is right now. It is not, but it is what we have. Forum posts won't change anything on the road gameforge takes. It's been like that for the last years already.