Aion Classic Discussion

    tbh, if there would be the same shop as there used to be (some skins, dyes, namechange and stuff) i would easily be willing to pay even 20-30€.

    but i think we will be getting a gold pack and will be seeing the aether treasure boxes again, maybe even worse stuff.

    For me it is ok if you need to buy the game (20 EUR) + sub 10-15 EUR/monthly and skin/pet shop (zero P2W stuff). But I am 90% they won't introduce the same thing as in NA, unless they think their playerbase is stupid. NCSOFT may do this only to funnel funds from Aion Classic to their new game Throne and Liberty.

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    For me it is ok if you need to buy the game (20 EUR) + sub 10-15 EUR/monthly and skin/pet shop (zero P2W stuff).

    Good deal for me also. Can be quite expensive, but with this second method - only outfit + pet + appearance in shop

    Classic in in Europe will be populated, I don't see why they aren't rushing things up. On NA version you get no support from staff members, the whole games is P2W, daeva passes cost you like 30$ / month to get 7 major ancient crowns and some other craps, you've got worst drop rate ever, way less kinah/ white/ green/ blue items from mobs, kinah drop lowered, cash shop stigma bundles, now manastones too. No event, and where there's events there's just crappy ones that give you nothing, but some extra items to buy from the game's market for real money. Attack+5 manastones cost 1.3kk each, magic boost ones went up too, people mass quitted the game because of all these factors i've mentioned before.

    Everyone is complaining about this stuff, yet the staff members don't bother listening to any1, they're fixing the drop issue by selling stigmas/ manastone bundles on the market for real cash. This collaboration between gameforge and ncwest shouldn't be happening, I bet gameforge alone can do this classic server from zero to HERO.

    I played on NA version since lunch and also played on korean server then i quit after problems started to pille up on north america

    1st one cash shop and candy´s unlimited amount of money can be used to sell for kinah

    2nd- Pay2win battle pass costs 30 euros even in games like apex legends costs 10 euros .

    3rd-game subscription 15 euros even tho feels like free to play game whith all the p2win plus battle pass.

    So your looking at 15 euros plus 30 total of 45 euros a month not counting what you add in for candy´s at cash shop .

    Server crowded whith bots and cheaters even recorded video of people cheating but to this day they never got banned .

    On korean server was even worst if you subscribe for 3 months you get 3 crowns so people subscribed for years for example if you subscribed for 30 months you get 90 crowns thats 900k abyss points on the first day all you missing is medals .

    You can buy medals from other players by selling candy´s from cash shop.

    So people subscriped for like 300 months had enogh abyss points for entier 50 elite set plus weapon on first day all they missing was the medals.


    my only hope is gameforge even tho alot of people bash it they always found a way to control there pay2win a lil bit more then NA and Korea small example when 4.6 hit ncsoft(na) had eternal Bastion reset scrools for sale on cash shop so did gameforge but gameforge had a 12 hour cool down for the use of reset scrool so u can only run eternal bastion( reward was 45k ap and 4 medals) twice a day on NCsoft side north america it had no cool down u can spam it 10 times a day or more if you wanted to and get geared in no time as long as u can keep buyng reset scrools


    i remember on classic the governor rank meant the guy knew how to pvp and be sneaky ganking people and farming guards in upper abyss forts whith out getting killd.

    Governor rank player after 4.0 meant the guy never pvp´d had no clue how to pvp

    and all he did was run eternal bastion so u had a governor rank player whith like 50 pvp kills in total maxed pvp gear whith zero pvp experience


    PvP gear was a reward for PvP

    since 4.0 PvP gear is a reward for PVE

    I doubt GAMEFORGE can influance on what model NCSOFT will bring to the EU market. The best approach is for sure to not release the same model as in other countries, NA included. I doubt NCSOFT is that "stupid" to get negative attention before releasing their new game (Throne and Liberty). Which I am surprised even some BIG streamers are looking at it, which they don't even play Korean mmos.


    I am positive they will release "good" model for the EU market atleast for 6 months + and maybe then take the plunge and introduce P2W items (when they release their new game). I hope they know that 30k playerbase is far better then 1k whales. It evens out on revenue but with 30k players game is alive atleast.


    If their intention (both comapny) is to release the same model as in NA I would advice them not to release it, because same destiny awaits them.

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    I doubt GAMEFORGE can influance on what model NCSOFT will bring to the EU market. The best approach is for sure to not release the same model as in other countries, NA included. I doubt NCSOFT is that "stupid" to get negative attention before releasing their new game (Throne and Liberty). Which I am surprised even some BIG streamers are looking at it, which they don't even play Korean mmos.


    I am positive they will release "good" model for the EU market atleast for 6 months + and maybe then take the plunge and introduce P2W items (when they release their new game). I hope they know that 30k playerbase is far better then 1k whales. It evens out on revenue but with 30k players game is alive atleast.


    If their intention (both comapny) is to release the same model as in NA I would advice them not to release it, because same destiny awaits them.

    Are you guys crazy or you dont know what game you are playing?


    First and more important, Aion is an MMO with a very low population, compared to any other decent/top MMO. Second, the goal of the game is to grind better gear and most people do play with characters hidden because the bad performance in FPS, so they are not gonna make a living and win money just selling skins.


    3rd, theres nothing Aion can do already to clean that P2W image. They will care for future games like Thrones, or gw1/gw2. So yes Aion will be P2W because it needs to be p2w due to low population and no viability to focus on skins like other games do.


    What you can expect at MOST is to have a goldpack system instead of a subscription, daeva pass to be idk 12 euros instead of 30 euros, and the p2w shop items to be launching slowly or being very expensive at start. But yes there will be p2w in the shop, daeva pass etc... and its the only way to go at this point.

    It is funny to see we have atleast one fanboy who defendes candies and other P2W stuff. Who said anyithing about only making revenue with only selling skins in shop? You do understand basic mathematics with sub 15 EUR 30k players is better then 1k whales right (in this case). Any MMO can be healthy if atleast with 10k playerbase, I am 100% Aion classic can surpass this with proper model on release. In NA it was proven they could easily have steady playerbase of 20-30k+ at start if not for the BS model. Maybe read my post again and just in case again to understand it. Nobody is denying there won't be any P2W stuff in Aion classic, it is about at what time they introduce it. They can go same as NA ALL IN model at start and look at what it become of the game you need to buy even stigmas in cash shop. No playerbase. On the other hand you can release a game with B2P+SUB and 100% there will be a healthy playerbase, if playerbase drops after 6 months you can introduce P2W items (smart approach).


    If they release the same model as EU so many people won't even try it out the why they did in NA. What you and many people here don't understand is if this game has lower playerbase it ain't fun.


    I take your word as "crazy" because me and probably 90% of people in this forum aren't willing to spend same as you and your "buddies" 160k EUR in BDO, 100k in Diablo Immortal. I laughed so hard on those people watching them to defend P2W model. With that money they spend on game I rather buy another appartment and rent it out.

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    Why is it that the only real converstation you're having currently here is with someone taunting you by discussing TOS, like this is in itself completely out of topic...


    Especially when more information about the actual topic is what people expect the most from you.

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    Especially when more information about the actual topic is what people expect the most from you.

    There cannot be any other conversation with me about this topic at the moment since there is nothing new to talk about unfortunately.


    All the information I have on this topic have been communicated recently already ;) Whenever there is something new, it will be communicated too as always. I will not wait to read a question about classic to communicate about classic if I have anything new. The day there is something, you will all be informed in the best possible manner.


    In that regard, asking when or if classic will be released here won't receive any new answer I'm afraid for the aforementionned reasons (until we have official info about it).


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    I totally understand what you are saying and you are correct on so many points, if they being same model to EU Classic it will fail just as it did with NA, NCsoft understood at the release of Aion the players in the west was very diff to the players in KR that's why they tried to model the game for the west and make changes from the start.


    But with classic so far its been on model for all, which is very sad, and i fear it will be the same for EU well I am sure it will be they will not change a great deal for EU its not worth there while TBH, i think and I will say it again Aion Classic was only a stepping stone for NCsoft till Aion 2 will be released after the delay due to covid, I believe it was to keep players to wait till Aion 2 come out and in that time they could make some money fast as well.


    GF would have to ask for changes if it ever come to the EU would GF do this as it would cost money for them, and would NCsoft be willing to make the changes?


    It would seem the classic model has in fact given them money thats why they will being the daeva pass into retail in 8.4, if it did not being money for them why would they put it to retail?

    i'm sure aion classic can get healthy amount of players to be able to bring decent profit with subs only without need for p2w and i'm sure gameforge is well aware that there's no point in making their new game p2w- they surely got their lesson with normal aion, so there's no need to worry about gameforge making classic p2w

    Sub for aion classic is a good deal, to have healthy, good community. In my opinion, for me - is enough to raise sub's cost a bit, but then - all game's appearance is as it looks like since the start. Then it is okay, because no candies trash and others. Skins, appearance and pets R always nice, so only this in shop, when sub's cost is highier. But if no, and together with this cost also p2w trash - then will be only one end ...


    Live servers could be some healthy also. If Galeas told, that tc shards adding to the gold sand shop was a custom change for Russia. So why Gameforge - as an EU aion publisher will not make the custom changes for us ... I could even pay subscription with a goldpack, even i have 6000 days opened :d but no ... they wanna hold 1k p2w people in live servers, instead of some better thinking :( ... and new people even interested in to try play, r not starting, because this sick p2w. Someone wrote good "better is to have 30000 players paying subs than have only 1000 paying subs+ this p2w".

    I have no problem with it - as told many times and always say it, but not only me play in game, so people can have completely different statements about it. So maybe need to be overtaking it, before anything is released?


    How the broker looks like in Ur servers? My Sillus does not offer any good skin or rare skin anymore, since long time. Except the Only 1 bloodlust (yesterday. today idk, cus not ig yet) :(

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