Aion Classic Discussion

    the problem was not 2.0 game died in 1.2 patch even before 1.5 90 % of players left already

    And its normal, also due to the sub fee, ppl can say whatever, after the 1st free month the game is gonna be dead.

    Maybe learn to read first so you can respond to others players properly. You are so delusional. AGAIN never have I ever stated there won't be any P2W in Aion Classic I am asking at what stage they will bring at start (same as NA) or in 6 months or in 1 year of the game. They probably analyzed the lifespan of Aion Classic.


    1. Aion started as B2P and SUB (september 2009) I played it from the start, so I don't know what shit P2W trash you played for the couple of years. You do understand there is a mass of playerbase who will never try Korean or NCSOFT mmos, only because of their cash grab P2W sneaky tactics. There is a big negative attentions to their products (NSCOSFT). Maybe for once try to read some replies from other players and not just listening to yourself.


    2. Maybe you don't want to pay for the sub and B2P model and you stated you aren't a whale and you play 0 P2W games (GW2). So with your statment I can only imagine you are a cheater or boter. Why? Only boters/cheaters want to have F2P games with P2W items (they arent forced to buy those) so they can make as much money as they can free (RMT). If they are baned they can easily create new char even IP BLOCK (VPN). I am 100% for SUB for any game and will always advocate this model, because you prevent those scum of players. We got him bois :D?


    3. You agree with me on what? I said many times I am for B2P and SUB, never have I ever mentioned I want daeva pass/battle pass in the game. You are always talking about davea pass and P2W stuff, because as a boter that works perfectly for you, you aren't force to buy those to play the game, on the otherhand SUB you need to buy if you are normal player, whale or a boter.


    4. Are you an expertise in field in game of industry to state such nonsense? Maybe check interwiev of Chris Wilson with Josh Strife. He is an expertise. You do understand that NCSOFT emplyeees don't work only on AION right? If you look their financial statments you can see that mobile games are the biggest cashcow. I imagine you are that kind of gamer/player if the game doesn't ghave 1 mio playerbase you reply "DEAD GAME". How Aion retail could sruvive so long then, why is Aion classic NA still operating, new world only has 12,5k concurrent players and there are many other mmos who operate on a normale base. So I don't get it why 10-20k playerbase (concurrent players) for EU Aion Classic is small by your standard.


    5. NCSOFT and GF can release whatever model they want. That is their bussiness. Me and many other players here can voice our opinion on what kind of model we want here in EU, so they can't say we didn't tell them. And you come and talk we are all crazy, etc expecting to have B2P and SUB model. Delusional boter is all I can say.

    The only "delusional boter" here is you. Thinking that people will pay a subscription for a game that died fast in EU under a subscription fee in its PRIME. For a game that is not sub fee in its retail version like WoW is. Yes there are 30k players willing to pay the sub fee sure, you are completly delusional if you think that Aion Classic will have any kind of decent population if its not under a Goldpack system. And please if it ever come to EU with sub fee dont dare to post the numbers of the 1st month please, cos that will be another delusional number, cos that month is FREE, watch the next months when you have to pay. (and im pretty sure you will blame the p2w instead of the sub)


    And again you dont understand anything. If you have a very low population and you dont barely have skins/cosmetics and/or people dont focus on buying them, and you have bad incomes from subs/goldpacks and on top of that you wanna cash cow the game. The only way is a lot of P2W.


    Yes the game was B2P and sub fee with no p2w in 2009-2011. It was a new game, there wasnt so much competition, it got a lot of marketing, it was another period. And still it died fast as the wind, cos in 2011 they announced "f2p". And even earning a lot of money from goldpacks etc they wanted more while they still had quite a decent population and a good version like 4.6/4.7. So if they were greedy in 4.6 with the amount of players they had worldwide, i cant imagine now.


    And yes after 6-7 years of P2W in Aion, its gonna affect a lot if Aion Classic EU is p2w. Maybe those big streamers wont play Thrones of Liberty cos there are 4 guys playing aion classic and saying in its dead forum that is p2w and has been forever. Guild Wars products are gonna be affected also. You are a true expert. Everyone knows that already, and if they want they will take measures for their future games (like they have stated already) like Arenanet has done since the begining, and those big streamers will try the game if they are interested.


    People are gonna play Aion Classic for nostalgia and/or addiction, they are gonna eat the p2w. The only thing they are not gonna eat (90% of the population) is paying a sub fee, cos most of them are not whales and are not willing to pay a sub fee for a game like this (p2w,trash engine, old, dead, no-life grind, repetitive, hacks/bots). In Korea that it was a BIG success and with a different mind they might do, here its not gonna happen and it didnt happen in 2010 either. Now you can call me an expert

    Aion Classic most of players will play it for nostalgia.


    But also for the hype of being the top legion / players.


    That is exactly at this moment the pay to win can be a real thing.


    Dominating spot for world boss,

    caping fort for medals (until 2.0).


    Those players are willing to pay whatever it take legaly to be on top.


    Not counting players that are willing to do minimum in game effort.


    When you see 400 silver/gold coins on Daeva Pass.


    Of course they gonna rush it.


    For those its pay to win in some case but what is worst is the Candy.


    You can bypass the limit by creating multiple account.


    Or you can simply resell them for a little bit cheaper to players.


    But those are a tiny issue on Aion Classic matter.


    Botting is the worst thing that can happen to Aion Classic from 1.0 to 1.9,

    Players who build bots can generate 20M+ a day being afk.


    And as said before Aion can survive with a population of 5k players with active donators, as long as there is a dedicaced staff (even one GM) to actively check bot/abuser.


    If private servers can live 5 to 9 years with 3k players I dont see why GF wont.

    Nah if you were there from the start of NA Classic to the breakdown of the population,
    you'll know if Na Classic population decreased all of a sudent,

    1) It was because some players were doing AP trading, all video proof / stats proof,
    No action from the Staff or Huge delay (seems there was 0 staff in NA classic for that matter).


    2) Bot were never banned.
    (it allowed twink to generate big AP and get easy PvP stuff, at a point they were getting more AP than lv 50 players).

    3) Candy Abuse / Kinah buyer.

    When it started players were ok spending 15 to 40€ a month for all premium/Pass.

    But then seeing no action taken from the staff,
    They locked Siel so players couldnt join their friend,
    Login Queues due to all bots in game,

    The secondary server was dying and NA staff didnt listened those players suggestion.

    The game itself is ok since we know Aion mostly from it debute,
    but the way they managed it was horrible.

    The economical system is only a pin on the overall issue,
    but def not the main reason players left.

    Players are willing to pay 30 to 100e monthly for a game that is managed well from its staff.

    I think there's a considerable amount of players who aren't "botters", but can't really afford to pay a sub fee, esp. if they want 2 accounts, but could easily sustain a "Goldpack equivalent" ingame.

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    I think there's a considerable amount of players who aren't "botters", but can't really afford to pay a sub fee, esp. if they want 2 accounts, but could easily sustain a "Goldpack equivalent" ingame.

    Can you explain to me how would you prevent boters, cheaters, economy abusers, ap traders with F2P game. With SUB you atleast limit them you can't prevent 100% that is illusion but with proper baning in appropirate time maner you can manage this and you make healthy equal enviroment. If goldpack can be bought via ingame you know every boter (rmt), cheater, etc can easily buy it via illegal activities. If I look at my household bills 15 EUR for a monthly fee is like a rain drop in the lake.

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    I think there's a considerable amount of players who aren't "botters", but can't really afford to pay a sub fee, esp. if they want 2 accounts, but could easily sustain a "Goldpack equivalent" ingame.

    IF gameforge add that Siel Aura sellable on broker then its should be fine

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    Quote from Trubbish

    I think there's a considerable amount of players who aren't "botters", but can't really afford to pay a sub fee, esp. if they want 2 accounts, but could easily sustain a "Goldpack equivalent" ingame.

    IF gameforge add that Siel Aura sellable on broker then its should be fine

    But who will buy it boters and AP traders. They will trade goldpack or Siel for their AP. You said it yourself what killed the game.

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    But they will release B2P+SUB+BP+P2W items shop so I think I am done advocating my point why SUB is good for Aion classic.

    Well there is a limit in gear there.

    Sooner or later you can P2W as much as possible,
    a players with a good party and with only a normal SUB can finish the game easly and might faster aswell.

    After all drop/enchant is RNG.

    We can cry all day about P2W as you noticed the game industry converted into Mobile GAME / MMO with P2W / GATCHA.

    It's possible to check online values on KR main servers once again. If someone is interested amount of characters online right now (22:27 Seoul local time).

    이스라펠 : 6297 / 16000

    네자칸 : 7859 / 15000

    지켈 : 6829 / 19000

    바이젤 : 8508 / 16000

    트리니엘 : 3725 / 16000

    카이시넬 : 2779 / 15000

    루미엘 : 3225 / 15000

    유스티엘 : 1220 / 16000

    마르쿠탄 : 5478 / 16500

    시엘 : 8088 / 12000


    What gives 54008 character online plus unknown number on integrated servers. KR Classic has integrated servers already, but server doesn't send to client info about amount of players online there. Wondering how many are bots.


    Interesting thing is that you cannot join game on classic servers without Siel Aura any more. So even if significant amount of characters are just bots, they still give $$ to NCsoft.

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    Quote from Livo

    Wondering how many are bots.

    Easy to check by a Game Master, dedicated to online supporting, to their game could be fair and rly healthy. The only one point in this case is the statement: they want or they dont want.

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    Interesting thing is that you cannot join game on classic servers without Siel Aura any more.

    So no free time in aion classic? for example 1h free?

    TBH Aion NA classic ended before it even started on the 1st day of release there were mess players quitting due to the candies and p2w, it was all over the internet and you could see it in game also, the next big issue was the mess bans for doing the repeat quests in SR, which NCsoft at 1st started they were banned correctly, then that changed to say they used the cheat to enter SR, and then the boxes came into it. by this time the servers were empty and players was really upset. NCsoft allowed the SR thing to carry on for so long, yet they knew about the bug due to it going on in KR. it was like NCsoft west did not know what they were doing or saying or how the game worked.


    But the servers was empty by this time and that's when I left also, the game was so pw2 and not the Aion I started to play in 2009, to me its was all about money and a rip off of the player base.


    The patches was also a big issue that made people leave they were taking so long to do any patches. not like KR was releasing them it was a mess from the start on NA





    Quote from Livo

    Interesting thing is that you cannot join game on classic servers without Siel Aura any more. So even if significant amount of characters are just bots, they still give $$ to NCsoft.

    which is a good thing by my standard. No freeloaders.