Aion Classic Discussion

    Im not a big fan of the Aion classic, imo the game didnt age well, its a bit "wooden" for my taste, like Lineage2, it was awesome... 15 years ago. This game in NA has


    1) 20$ sub (50$ for 3 months)

    2) 30$ battle pass

    3) real money -> candy -> kinah


    With all that blatant cash grab they cant even ban all the bots xD


    I also find it hilarious (in a sad way) that 20$ cant buy you a p2w-free game, I mean cmon, you dusted off an old game, did some dev work (its nothing compared to a new game or making new assets) and you still suck and suck monies? Leeches.

    You clearly never played back then, when Governor spots were occupied by people who didn't even speak English, who'd transform at the stupidest things, who'd never participate in sieges and the list goes on.


    There's a lot of other reasons why a resetting to rankings every x months is important, if you ever played PoE you'd understand, from keeping the game fresh pov to making it fair for someone that joined the game later. Tbh it blows my mind NCSoft didn't think of these things back in the day.

    Dude you started with 4.5 and GP ranking or what there is no way [...] to the point of suggesting to reset the AP of players. ?(

    And i'm playing since EU beta, thanks for your concern.


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    I hate stupid people.

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    anyway people will always criticize any governor , as long as they are not a governor themselves.

    Amidst all the uproar over the candy's people seem to forget you can also get crazy good wings straight from the cash shop.


    20 dollar sub, 30 dollar season pass, candy's for kinah and best wings that will cost non-swiping players up to 10mill kinah.


    It's a lovely game but damn they are cashing in hard on nostalgia.

    Quote from Aura

    Dude you started with 4.5 and GP ranking or what there is no way [...] to the point of suggesting to reset the AP of players. ?(

    And i'm playing since EU beta, thanks for your concern.

    You are really cute but [...], you really think it's not possible to reset the AP rankings and have players keep their AP and have only the new AP starting X register? You think that's hard for a company that's worth $15.17 B ?


    You think I could give 16 things I wouldn't wanna see in cash shop if I didn't play back then and knew everything about the game? It's players like you that made this game even more dead, gatekeepers, imagine gatekeeping playing Aion back in the day lmao.


    Your existence is at an all time low, gatekeeping a game that's been out so long that people who were born then are now in 7th grade. Sad.


    Quote from Rastekkel

    Amidst all the uproar over the candy's people seem to forget you can also get crazy good wings straight from the cash shop.


    20 dollar sub, 30 dollar season pass, candy's for kinah and best wings that will cost non-swiping players up to 10mill kinah.


    It's a lovely game but damn they are cashing in hard on nostalgia.

    Added that also.


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    Black

    But you still haven't explained why you don't want a mounts in the shop? Because I can't see what's p2w on the mounts

    Black


    The big issue is the game wasn't designed to support a seasonal ranking system.


    In fact, Aion was designed in an era (I choose the word) when the more time you play, the more ressource you have.


    Not to mention that in KR, before F2P, players were paying their gaming time. In such system, you dont want your AP ranking resetted, cause you paid and spend time to reach it. Resetting it was out of the topic.


    Quote from Black

    You are really cute but your brain is lagging behind, you really think it's not possible to reset the AP rankings and have players keep their AP and have only the new AP starting X register? You think that's hard for a company that's worth $15.17 B ?

    They might implement a parallele ranking system (like the GP season ranking system). But applying this to AP is totally irrelevant.

    You have too many means to earn AP (by shop, by PvE, by PvP), that such ranking is not fair among all.

    Not to mention you cannot disregard that people does not have the same game time schedule.

    Some prefer openworld PvP, some prefer Dreds, and so on...

    Cashshopper might buy dred resets scrolls to earn more AP(first taste of P2W war machine).

    (Didnt play before F2P so I dont really know about mean to earn AP before 3.x though)


    That's why they introduced HP ranking, to get rid of those differences and make a relevant ranking system (relevant aka all have the same chances). In such case, implementing a seasonal ranking system is possible (like the reset we just got in retail)

    Its not even about siege or pvp, you could just farm guards and spam the fort instances for AP and turn in relics. Old AP system is bad and totally not for the West and even koreans faced the problem, which is -as people mentioned- when it was cemented then you couldn't do anything not even as a pvper and old sub.

    The nolifers could just take a break and even then you couldn't reach them not to mention take their throne. Generals and above were carried by their team/legion and feed with ap + when not in a serious battle they had to hid behind guards or skip Reshanta altogether, if not for the activities above. Even at 4-Star ap loss was annoying (I had to face hunting parties as one in the Eye) and just small 1-Stars were like a big red cross-hair, the diff is with rank the zerg become bigger and bigger.


    Honor is ok ,but these systems always problematic, because the dpsing guards/deity mechanic it is disadvantageous to support classes or early tank as temp was, you cant outperform a geared nuke dps.


    Well about the shop on Classic, keep dreaming they are profit oriented their hunger cant be satisfied with a simple sub and whales pay bigger, if the income is like what you can get now (imagine it to be huge for a time), maybe there is not even long term for a classic (esp Aions). :/


    The whale stuff just works here in the West too, sadly and the borders were pushed out on what is acceptable. Just read Aion reddit some are defending p2w + sub + f2p/trial + pass there. X/


    NC Korea is the dev and if they want to push for p2w shop in pair with p2w mechanics, rng then you cant challenge them nor the publishers. If the game is developed in a cash grab sentiment then the only way is to quit, if you dont like it because their HQ is not here. Feedback was given, but they even ignored their korean fanbase and sometimes their whales too. :!:

    You say "it works" but does it really? Player numbers on retail servers are at an all time low. What do you think will happen when the free week on classic ends. That everybody will just be content with P2W mechanics and happily pay that 15/20 dollar sub? I doubt it...

    Ofc it works, they are having a profit with all combined (mobile, old ips etc..) even if it was decreasing to Q to Q as they overmilked their audience. You have to analyze the big picture + korean giant companies are supported by their State too.


    Look up how their economy works South Koreas, few families and vassals keeping everything under control. Many of the companies are top quality and are successful, even on the global scene, but nothing will change until their own government "cracks down" on them and the (online) gaming gamble industry for real. Gaming ones face no resistance or big enough rivals, their base is secure unlike their tech giants, those think long term.


    There were talks about sanctioning mobile games and enact new law because parents of the kids noticed whats going on aka its gambling.

    So where did they turn too as a fast cashgrab? Yea you guessed right, old ips like Lineage etc.. Nc-s higher ups live on a different plane since a long time ago, its all about profit,profit,profit or it always were, just the methods were a bit more humane. X/


    I think they wont support classic (real paches I mean, itemshop yes they will update that 100% and ofc koean classic is a different subject altogether) and shut it down instantly when its not delivering the $$$, be it from whales or players they dont care. Its a mistery to me how that contients (Murica) retail is still not shut down with those numbers. Its like a walking corpse sadly. EU retail beats their retail easily in numbers. ?(

    Maybe its influenced by the fact, they dont have a new flagship and ppl like Aion in korea still or something. + it is like a joker card so they can pull something like "classic". "Remember this game?" we support it still, you can trust us. :S

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    It all depends on the definitition of "working" I guess. If we talk about shor-term financial gains then yes, it sure is working.


    If we're talking about customer satisfaction and longterm healthy playerbases (I'd say the pillar of any MMORPG) it's failing miserably.

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    It all depends on the definitition of "working" I guess. If we talk about shor-term financial gains then yes, it sure is working.


    If we're talking about customer satisfaction and longterm healthy playerbases (I'd say the pillar of any MMORPG) it's failing miserably.

    Indeed, but they still get away with it somehow and some are defending them on reddit and their forums. "You poor,gtfo!" They already pay sub hello? :rolleyes:


    The other thing I "like" is: " You speculate, baseless accusations." and "You stopid you didn't play back then." and when you say you did they just call you something rude or shout like they are hurt or something and chant their "truth" over and over etc.. We are kinda doomed sadly. X/

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    It's quite the opposite. The majority of these whales are definatly not rich people. I've seen too many examples of this not being the case.


    Also, the people saying that kinah isn't important in classic Aion are either delusional, high on copium or fully invested into kinah buying.

    Quote from Rastekkel

    It's quite the opposite. The majority of these whales are definatly not rich people. I've seen too many examples of this not being the case.


    Also, the people saying that kinah isn't important in classic Aion are either delusional, high on copium or fully invested into kinah buying.

    I agree kinah I think is more important in Classic Aion I believe as everything is kinah based.

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    In case someone is reading this thread and has no clue, what's going on with NA version of AION CLassic:

    It is an ok vid, but he skips some stuff on purpose or tries to belittle the problem (at least it seems like):

    For example the Fenris/Miragent and profession to master level to proc heart problem. With this extra kinah they can afk craft to max, then later get the balic mats and force their way through to +15 etc.. There are wings in the shop, its a huge advantage in Reshanta and in aethertapping zones. ?(


    I get his logic why not a problem to him YET, but the economy in Aion wasn't designed to handle a kinah injection of this size, some come up with retail for example but ppl have to farm there/do pig in tower/lurkers so it is not simple card swipe. Some of that huge (candy) kinah wealth is hidden and is dormant for the moment, but it is still there waiting to be used.


    He admits its bad, but keeps playing without noticing what can come in the next "pass" and in the shop (full armor? +15). X/

    There is no middle ground sadly or shouldn't be a question, its p2w or not period and not p2w and sub lmao, esp if its a sub game with an expensive (2 months sub price) pass.

    We're barely a week in and it's already quite noticable in PvP. The P2W folks are running around in gold coin gear, fully decked out with the best manastones, proper combines and enchants on the weapons while the rest is a mix of white/green/blue gear with nothing socketed/enchanted.