28.10.2020 on Korea - Classic Server Discussions

    Quote from nyah

    it wasnt gameforge alone who turned this game into an full p2wgame

    If you first look for numbers, data and facts in the past, you will see who made the breakthrough through Freetop(l)ay and thus p2w first.
    I'm not blaming NC Soft for just copying GF (to make a lot more money).
    Both company`s & many others thought it would go on forever, only they cut themselves neatly.:rolleyes:

    Quote from Edgy

    Black Desert must be 500 years old then

    :/I don't know the game but if it has so many patches then maybe, yes?
    The time for games always goes by way faster than in the RL, it has always been that way and it will always stay that way.     :tea:

    Quote from Doris
    Quote from nyah

    it wasnt gameforge alone who turned this game into an full p2wgame

    If you first look for numbers, data and facts in the past, you will see who made the breakthrough through Freetop(l)ay and thus p2w first.
    I'm not blaming NC Soft for just copying GF (to make a lot more money).
    Both company`s & many others thought it would go on forever, only they cut themselves neatly.:rolleyes:

    No offense but I don't know if you are just trolling here. What data and facts? Even though GF has some major issues, F2P made the player base explode in EU and it lasted for few years. When the game was under with sub model under Ncsoft in EU, the game had a lot less players and was dying. In NA Aion was more p2w and died a lot faster than in EU. There hasn't been Aion streams for NA region for a long time in twitch. In Korea, the game has always been more p2w than in EU after Gameforge took over. Korean forums were full of complaints about p2w during the years and even streamers in twitch said they wanted EUs system back in 3.x-4.x.


    Ncsoft made good systems around Aion like veteran rewards that GF took over and they implemented their gold pack systems into it. It seemed to work really well at start. GF just never improved or made better systems around Aion and that's their major issue. When the systems that Ncsoft made stopped working, it started going more downhill and nothing new was done to it. But the main reason why this game is failing, is because of bad game development and that GF can't really adapt to the patches anymore.


    Without F2p though, there would be less people that tried aion and there would be less ppl that were interested in classic. Without F2P there probably wouldn't be a good market for the classic server here in EU.

    Unfortunately, I have to say that you might just want to troll too.?(

    NC Soft left Aion in the EU and handed it over to GF because the support was too expensive. That was the only and main reason!
    It was not profitable to pay that at European prices.
    But do you just keep talking that the game at that time (what nonsense) was "dying". .:rolleyes:
    Paint your past as beautiful as you want it to be.<X
    I like to cheer on looking forward by jumping on the classic train.:)


    But you will be milked here with flags and trumpets until the end and receive it as "Thank goodness that there was GF" where I only see one big mistake.
    Cows always say "moo" even if they don't understand the world.
    You guys are nice money cows for GF and think you're so great.
    I would have no problem keeping up with the pay2win whales, but I'm not doing it because that just wouldn't be me.
    I always stick to the phrase "do something right or don't do it" I don't have to be told that I've bought everything.
    But hey, have fun if you later stand there without players in retail just because you haven't understood that something is going on right here.


    Even GF's b2play games are currently on the move or are just coming will not be the slightest bit different and then swivel to p2w like everything else GF touches.
    But you think it has to be.:facepalm:
    Nobody can help you there.
    Give GF the bill for how they handle it or be quiet!:zipped:

    I dont think you have more than 2 iq tbh, so tell me where all the p2w comes? from gameforge right? Gameforge implemented runes, odians, non fuseable leg forms,non fuseable ancient forms, ult forms, s minions, ss minions, stigmas +15, collections, man you are clearly trolling in this forum

    even in 5.x ncsoft version was 50 times more p2w cuz the best source for Apes, upgrade serum etc was in shop there meanwhile in eu we had at least hero trials which was pretty good. But ncsoft is 4200 times better!!!

    Edited once, last by nyah ().

    Anyway ncsoft and gf have both a share of responsibilities of the death of aion it's not only on ncsoft or gf. So to say it's only the fault of ncsoft or gf that the game is dead is wrong

    Quote from nyah

    Gameforge implemented

    :rolleyes:GF has not implemented anything, much less ever developed anything

    (see Platinerk garbage because they were not able to implement it)

    except started p2w marketing.
    The game was at the start not designed so that everything is in the shop instead of in-game.
    At the beginning GF showed through the freetoplay that there are enough cows to be milked and they pulled it off.
    NC just took over milking the cows and developed the game further.

    This is also the main reason why Classic is not free to play
    and everyone who has officially announced that they are releasing Aion classic has always mentioned that it is p2p.
    Should this change to f2p, I would advise everyone to keep their hands off it immediately, otherwise you will find yourself right where we stand with retail .. at the abyss

    Quote from Pumqkin

    does it mean none has siels aura first week? or everyone has it ?

    That means, as I understand it, that everyone can play for a week free only then the subscription is needed.

    But even then it is possible to play 1h / day without all restrictions*. (may some)


    ;)

    Quote from Pumqkin

    does it mean none has siels aura first week? or everyone has it ?

    i guess everyone has siels aura for first week of the launch of classic server and after you will need buy the pack if you want keep the buff it is like this I understood

    You don't seem to know anything about me. No clue why you keep telling everyone else is a whale that disagrees with you. Since you opinion is based on "stats and facts" like you stated previously, can you show us how Ncsoft was flourishing before GF took over?

    Quote from Doris

    NC Soft left Aion in the EU and handed it over to GF because the support was too expensive. That was the only and main reason!:zipped:

    it helps to know a bit of their history

    in reality ncsoft na (aka ncwest) was bankrupt and that was the reason


    aion was released in 2009. gf took over in 2012.

    probably worth mentioning that in 2010-2011 aion was almost dead in the west. no players to play with. will mention it later.

    from 2009 to 2012 ncsoft had to close down 6 games (tabula rasa dungeon runers exteel dragonica point blank city of heroes) and another one the next year (trikster).... and not like it matter but later on 2 others (wildstar and mxm)


    those around 2009-2012 weren't really developed by ncsoft korea and they took the hit because ncwest were losing a lot of money. and they lost a lot more after games have been taken down. they also had some law suit actions where they had to pay a lot of money with one of their game. it mostly happened because ncsoft korea was stubborn to run the games in the korean way thinking west players are the same as their home players or they should embrace they way they run things. all ppl said the same... ncsoft korea doesn't understand west culture.


    ncsoft had 2 other games on the list but developed by ncsoft in korea (aion and lineage 2) in the same bad situation to be taken down because they were dead... and they didn't want them to be taken down. it's korean ncsoft pride so the world know their work because they thought of themselves they make the best games. they decided to make them f2p and give each big region the rights so they don't have to deal with money they don't have and better charge other publishers for it and deal with it. so the first one to become f2p was lineage 2 where in europe the rights have been given to innova... and a few months later aion turned f2p and the rights have been given to gf in europe and innova (russia). idk if it was ncsoft contacting them or publishers stepping up and picking up dead games but here we are today.


    so in a way you have to tank gf because we had a game later on and it wasn't closed. no matter that many complained it's a demo game (no trade no broker w/o gp) it was quit playable imo. ncwest had f2p too but they took a more p2w way and put a lot of game stuff in the shop. they had no restrictions but they had the equivalent of gp to boost ap and instances entries and so on... with no way to trade and for single char. as other said... in korea they were complaining a lot about p2w in 4.x. the game didn't start p2w in europe... until around 2014 or something when it was 4.x the game was ok.

    Edited once, last by Click ().

    Quote from Doris

    Paint your past as beautiful as you want it to be. <X

    I belive this part is the biggest problem.

    You ignore all negative parts of past aion, ignoring facts and every valid argument not matching your opinion, just because you want to stay optimistic

    The fun Part is, Doris is so delusional, hating GF for ruining Aion but at the same time throwing money at them for the same old content again. Talking about cows while you are one of them, hilarious. And by the way, if retail Aion dies, classic will end too- without the main game being developed further and kept alive there won‘t be a classic Aion either. So trashtalking anyone who wants to still Play Aion is massively stupid if you are so hardcore addicted to classic Version.

    They are planning to rewrite the Story, right now with Aion running. Doesn‘t mean they can change their mind in the future. And changing the updates also does not mean they won‘t implement stuff from all the other updates (feathers, higher enchantments etc.). It‘s unknown.

    Quote from Kegi

    Hopefully it's a good thing. All the old patches have their own problems (constant balance issues, abusable systems etc.) and they could make the patches a lot better with the data they have now. Not totally convinced that they will put enough money and effort to it though.

    The worst some bad idea of ncsoft was not bad if it was exploited correctly

    For example transformation level 75 in 5.x was not bad but they never should allowed this skill in arena

    Quote from Rym

    My guess is classic will end at patch 2.7, and Aion: Remastered starts from 3.0 with a completely re-imagined lore and development path.

    Last time I checked DB contained level 60 balance test gear with magic suppression and multi-stat manastones, no idea about how they'll spin lore.

    Quote from NekoMujuuryoku
    Quote from Kegi

    Hopefully it's a good thing. All the old patches have their own problems (constant balance issues, abusable systems etc.) and they could make the patches a lot better with the data they have now. Not totally convinced that they will put enough money and effort to it though.

    The worst some bad idea of ncsoft was not bad if it was exploited correctly

    For example transformation level 75 in 5.x was not bad but they never should allowed this skill in arena

    The worst part about the patch was that manastones were nonexistent and the only source was luna weekly. I remember farming luna so much on alts to stay competitive that I burned out and "gave" my accounts away at the end of 5.6. Haven't touched my cleric ever since. Apparantly someone is still playing her these days. No idea who it is though.