28.10.2020 on Korea - Classic Server Discussions

Quote from Dropkickmurphy

I stopped long ago telling you the known facts because you just won´t listen and learn anyways.

By your first post on this page as an answer to mine it must have hit you hard again otherwise you would not always follow me and argue against me.
go find a hobby,or become someone else's fanboy...

Quote from Dropkickmurphy

and you are simply wrong with this statement, we (or I) see no future for AION classic Europe because we learned last several years how Gameforge works and it´s obvious how things will come in europe, thats all.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. It means if we don´t play the Classic under GF than we don`t know how it will be! and that's a fact ! Opinions aren't facts.

If you get stuck here, move on to another topic.
I just wrote something for a new user who asked something and didn't want to read the entire 16 pages.
I also added new information that I found on the internet.
At least I am trying to move the subject forward.

And you are just updating the old views of yourself and others,

which is not helpful to either of us.

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And you are just updating the old views of yourself and others,

which is not helpful to either of us.

As long as you keep spreading your blind cheer patriotism while ignoring the facts it needs someone like me to always remind you on the facts, so simple. Your blind cheer patriotism on what-you-wish-AION-classic -to-be leads us nowhere and isn´t helpful either.....

Doris I admire your optimism and I HOPE you are right but that's just wishful thinking. I've seen what both companies (NCSoft and Gameforge) did to the game. Reality is, the game is business and business only wants one thing, PROFIT. I'm just being a realist here. I love Aion. It's my favourite game ever since my school friend introduced me to it back in 2010 and I stuck to it since. However, I feel like retail Aion is on it's last leg and I refuse to get sucked in by Gameforge and won't pay ridiculous amount of money. I buy Aion coins maybe once or 4 times a year. Does this mean I'm heavily invested in the game that's why I'm hating on Aion Classic? No. I would have left the game if I could but my PC is as old as my time since I started playing Aion and can't run new MMOs. But when I do get a new gaming rig, I'm saying bye. Therefore, you are WRONG for saying that the people who are hating Aion classic are hating on it only cos they are heavily invested in Aion retail. I think they are just tired of the publisher and have learned that they mean no good

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As long as you keep spreading your blind cheer patriotism while ignoring the facts

Your "facts" are Opinions..See my facts here :

Quote from Doris

According to the comment in the video, I can hear out (no translation!)
According to the latest information, with the introduction of the classic, Aion has doubled the number of players in Korea.
Players like the game more how it used to be.

look @ this :

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Aion Classic has launched to quite a bit of success, and a Western incarnation of the game is imminent.

But there are no official publications here on our Aion forum?

Does anyone have more information about this?

Here is the video on YT where I found the text (see screenshot above *) :

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Quote from [Stormwing] Tom

Doris I admire your optimism and I HOPE you are right but that's just wishful thinking.

Why should I be pessimistic?

As long as i can't uncover false promises i will remain optimistic.

If I find something where I don't think it belongs, I just stop playing the classic.

What do I do then loss? Three months prepayment? I can work it out^^

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However, I feel like retail Aion is on it's last leg and I refuse to get sucked in by Gameforge and won't pay ridiculous amount of money. I buy Aion coins maybe once or 4 times a year. Does this mean I'm heavily invested in the game that's why I'm hating on Aion Classic? No. I would have left the game if I could but my PC is as old as my time since I started playing Aion and can't run new MMOs. But when I do get a new gaming rig, I'm saying bye. T

I also invested, bought the game back then (online collectors edition to be able to play in the closded beta) & for the monthly subscription.
And even after taking over GF approx. 4 times in total since then and not per year.

Now if you don't like the game as it is run by GF and you leave it anyway when your pc can do more, why are you still playing it?

For example, I only keep my account alive with my daily login, pay with kinah for my housing, say hello to friends from the FL and that was it.
But I also kept other times the same until there was an improvement.
You have to punish by not buying anything if you don't like it.

Push the provider where it hurts, by the money, otherwise you only support what you don't like.

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Therefore, you are WRONG for saying that the people who are hating Aion classic are hating on it only cos they are heavily invested in Aion retail. I think they are just tired of the publisher and have learned that they mean no good

If they have learned that they mean no good, why do they continue to play retail and pay for it in the p2winshop when they don't like it that much?

Why can't so many users understand that others would like to pay for the classic version?
And these people don't have to upset others with their bad experiences.
It is up to everyone his self whether he want to play the classic version or not.
If everything turns for the worse and an attempt it is made to milk the player again, the servers will be left faster than GF would like.

In any case, in the classic, the players are not going milked every time by resetting the elite veteran levels, as now the case at the retail.

Simple question, but if you are sure that it won't work because of gameforge/nc/p2w/whatever, why are you still here wasting your time?

Let people who are interested in classic talk about it without having to read you repeating the same words over and over every 4 posts in this topic.

If you have PTSD from gameforge, that's unfortunate, I personally know that it won't be perfect, but I still believe it's gonna be a lot of fun, you can have a different opinion, but stop rambling like an old man about how bad it's gonna be when nothing is released yet, wait and see, no one is taking the money out of your wallet.

But you already stated that you don't believe in classic, and you probably don't play the actual patch either since it is insanely p2w and rng, so... Why are you here?

If what you want is a 1.9 server exactly how it was back in 2010, the thing you're looking for is not here on this forum.

Quote from Aura

Simple question, but if you are sure that it won't work because of gameforge/nc/p2w/whatever, why are you still here wasting your time?

But you already stated that you don't believe in classic, and you probably don't play the actual patch either since it is insanely p2w and rng, so... Why are you here?

Simple question, simple answer. For me there are actually two reasons to repeat myself like a prayer wheel.

More unimportant reason is that Doris keeps spreading false information when he tells the people that all critics don´t believe in AION classic because they love retail so much. That´s a lie and as lomg as he keeps stating this, someone has to correct him.

More important reason is, as long as no one is telling Gameforge that we know what they will do with AION classic and that we don´t like what they will do with AION classic, Gameforge will continueing to do what they do. And the cheer patriotism of e.g. Doris and you favors that. Gameforge will do whatever they want anyways, but in the end I rather be the one saying "told you that" than being the one saying "didn´t see that coming".

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Quote from Aura

Simple question, but if you are sure that it won't work because of gameforge/nc/p2w/whatever, why are you still here wasting your time?

But you already stated that you don't believe in classic, and you probably don't play the actual patch either since it is insanely p2w and rng, so... Why are you here?

Simple question, simple answer. For me there are actually two reasons to repeat myself like a prayer wheel.

More unimportant reason is that Doris keeps spreading false information when he tells the people that all critics don´t believe in AION classic because they love retail so much. That´s a lie and as lomg as he keeps stating this, someone has to correct him.

More important reason is, as long as no one is telling Gameforge that we know what they will do with AION classic and that we don´t like what they will do with AION classic, Gameforge will continueing to do what they do. And the cheer patriotism of e.g. Doris and you favors that. Gameforge will do whatever they want anyways, but in the end I rather be the one saying "told you that" than being the one saying "didn´t see that coming".

I don't know you but I don't think you're in any capacity to tell any publisher how they will run their company and products, especially on a public forum like this. I played this game for 5 years, from 2012 to 2017. Could it be handled better- yes, could it be handled worse - yes, i.e. 'not great, not terrible'. As far as 'p2w' is concerned, the 'p2w' aspect will be as severe as the game allows it. If the game design is centered around that concept, 'p2w' then will be prevalent. Me and my surrounding of players I used to play with, are all OK with this as long as what is being sold in the cash shop can be obtained in the game as well. If the subscription models and 'p2w items' in the cash shop worries anyone, then they have more serious issues than paying some negligible and in no way life changing sum of money to play this game.

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I don't know you but I don't think you're in any capacity to tell any publisher how they will run their company and products, especially on a public forum like this. I played this game for 5 years, from 2012 to 2017. Could it be handled better- yes, could it be handled worse - yes, i.e. 'not great, not terrible'. As far as 'p2w' is concerned, the 'p2w' aspect will be as severe as the game allows it. If the game design is centered around that concept, 'p2w' then will be prevalent. Me and my surrounding of players I used to play with, are all OK with this as long as what is being sold in the cash shop can be obtained in the game as well. If the subscription models and 'p2w items' in the cash shop worries anyone, then they have more serious issues than paying some negligible and in no way life changing sum of money to play this game.

But you know that we are talking about maybe upcoming AION classic europe? Which subscription model are you talking about? Korea? There will be no subscription model in europe for obvious reasons...

Quote from Aura

but you already stated that you don't believe in classic, and you probably don't play the actual patch either since it is insanely p2w and rng, so... Why are you here?

If what you want is a 1.9 server exactly how it was back in 2010, the thing you're looking for is not here on this forum.

I'm here cos I am playing the patch, so you're wrong. You're free to express your opinion and so am I. I will check classic out and give it a chance but I am allowed to have my doubts. Thank you, end of discussion with you.

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I am sure GF are trying everything to get a classic server. They can only profit from that.
In the past GF had already asked about the possibility of a classic server. At that time NC-SOFT told them thats not possible.
Three months ago NC suddenly released a classic version without telling GF about it. In fact GF found out about it at the same time and the same way we did.
So NC-SOFT took a massiv dumb on Gameforge and signaled their lack of interest in releasing a classic server in europe.
These are not easy terms to start a negotiation with. Obviously this takes several months.
GF are often to blame but I don't think in this matter. Try to be patient

Classic under Gameforge is bound to fail if they repeat the same mistakes. Which they will, most likely.

Classic as a concept is a great idea, I've promoted this since I quit the game many years ago. On paper you can make it work really well. In reality all that these companies want is obviously to maximize profit.

It's a double edged sword. Some companies know how to properly manage a game in order to profit off it in a reasonable manner while also keeping the player-base happy and the population alive. While other games have that initial OMEGA-hype and promise all kind of things, only to change that 2-3 months later and slowly add p2w and p2w and more p2w and more p2w events all while losing their player-base and making people unhappy.

People who are skeptical and have doubts are 100% in the right. Gameforge has proven what kind of company it is many times. They had the chance to make things right but didn't.

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Classic under Gameforge is bound to fail if they repeat the same mistakes. Which they will, most likely.

Classic as a concept is a great idea, I've promoted this since I quit the game many years ago. On paper you can make it work really well. In reality all that these companies want is obviously to maximize profit.

It's a double edged sword. Some companies know how to properly manage a game in order to profit off it in a reasonable manner while also keeping the player-base happy and the population alive. While other games have that initial OMEGA-hype and promise all kind of things, only to change that 2-3 months later and slowly add p2w and p2w and more p2w and more p2w events all while losing their player-base and making people unhappy.

People who are skeptical and have doubts are 100% in the right. Gameforge has proven what kind of company it is many times. They had the chance to make things right but didn't.

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I'd happily quote and tag everyone who's been typing here how great Aion Classic will be (if we get it) and laugh. To be fair, I want classic just like them but I'm just really sceptical it will turn out good. But people are so quick to assume that I, along many others who are doubting Gameforge, would hate aion classic to happen because we're such retail fanboys lmao. The naivety of some people...

Maybe in the beginning it will be good, until it becomes p2w slowly. Someone here pointed out, how, when GF took over AION EU in 2012, no one was suspecting p2w, and here we are now. Same will be for Classic.

But people like Doris and also Aura I'll give you free gold packs or whatever you want (for real) IF you guys are right and I'm wrong and I will personally offer a heartfelt apology for doubting gameforge kek.

Here my prognosis about Aion Classic:

Will it happen?

Yes.

When?

Around august.

Monetization?

Free-to-play with shop.

Popularity?

Not as much as Korea.

Aion Classic servers in EU?

Two.

Distribution?

30% people moving from actual servers

30% old school returnees

40% fresh/new players

Destiny of actual servers?

They will continue operating at least until 2023. No server merge, although ragna in danger.

Behaviour?

People will get curious and try it. Rumours will spread, some old school will return. In order to completely succeed, advertisement will be required and Gameforge won't do that. Hype will slowly fade away, but server activity will be stable enough to keep actual and classic servers running with profit.

Don't twist my words, I never said to trust gameforge to do good or anything. I even said that it won't be perfect. But aion classic has a much bigger potential than you think.

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Don't twist my words, I never said to trust gameforge to do good or anything. I even said that it won't be perfect. But aion classic has a much bigger potential than you think.

The potential Aion Classic has is huge..... It's just gameforge wont make it live up to its full potential sadly.

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Quote from Aura

Don't twist my words, I never said to trust gameforge to do good or anything. I even said that it won't be perfect. But aion classic has a much bigger potential than you think.

The potential Aion Classic has is huge..... It's just gameforge wont make it live up to its full potential sadly.

But it's still way better than the clown patch we currently have where you have to play the slot machine for everything you need.

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But it's still way better than the clown patch we currently have where you have to play the slot machine for everything you need.

Meanwhile you have this slot machine on EVERYTHING on retail version. Gameforge isn´t meanwhile able to bring even birthday presents WITHOUT slot machine rng. You have rng in the shop, in the events and promos, in ingame loot and now even in birthday presents.

And with all your enthusiasm for AION classic: give me only one logical, reasonable, comprehensible reason, why Gameforge shouldn´t bring their successful cash cow rng slot machine to AION classic too...... only one....

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But people like Doris and also Aura I'll give you free gold packs or whatever you want (for real) IF you guys are right and I'm wrong and I will personally offer a heartfelt apology for doubting gameforge kek.

You can give any kind of betting debt to someone else.
No need to apologize either, just let other users have a different opinion about the classic Aion, because I'll let others have their own opinion about the retail Aion too!

I also don’t get involved in other topics that are none of my business because I don’t really play the patch, so why do you mix in here if you don’t want to play the classic anyway?

I don't care about retail Aion at the moment
and even if I become active again

(which really won't happen, especially when I look

at the patch notes from wannabe 7.9) I don't need any GP.

(because of my veteran account)

you should all start giving away gold packages to the newbies, the next storm is bound to be brewing soon