28.10.2020 on Korea - Classic Server Discussions

    I am not saying they are not responsible, but here we are absolutely not talking about 6.x or later related issues, so this has nothing to do with how they used to manage the game before.

    Now yes, you can worry about how they will manage Classic, I do too, but saying they will f*ck it up because they did everything wrong compared to NCWest since they took over the game from them is false ; same goes for saying that the name "Gameforge" will make Classic fail, as if the name "NCSoft" was any better nowadays, spoiler, it's even worse, so...

    There was still many that left EU when GF took over and this did have an impact, i knew many that left and went and played NA just because of this, so there was an impact on the playerbase when GF took over in EU.

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    Oh, so you're telling me that most people who switched on p-server only did because of Gameforge policies and not because of the game itself that just became worse over the years (= version), and that your sample of people "you know and heard of", is representative of a large portion of the playerbase ?

    Show me your representative proofed facts that refute what I said. Oh you can´t because you haven´t? K, then your "facts" are just as good as my "facts", so simple......


    You can dream and wish for the classic server as much as you want, I claim that an european classic server under Gameforge will just be the same as the current server under Gameforge just with an older patch version, nothing more nothing less. It will get the same rng-p2w-cash-shop as we have already, not at the beginning, Gameforge is not stupid, but it will sneek in by and by. Time will show if I was right or your dreams came true...... :D

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    Oh, so you're telling me that most people who switched on p-server only did because of Gameforge policies and not because of the game itself that just became worse over the years (= version), and that your sample of people "you know and heard of", is representative of a large portion of the playerbase ?

    Show me your representative proofed facts that refute what I said. Oh you can´t because you haven´t? K, then your "facts" are just as good as my "facts", so simple......


    You can dream and wish for the classic server as much as you want, I claim that an european classic server under Gameforge will just be the same as the current server under Gameforge just with an older patch version, nothing more nothing less. It will get the same rng-p2w-cash-shop as we have already, not at the beginning, Gameforge is not stupid, but it will sneek in by and by. Time will show if I was right or your dreams came true...... :D

    and that is the issue the trust players have with GF, weather it is the classic server or the real server players don't have trust this is why so many left when GF took over, GF name at running games even back then when they took over running Aion was not great (and that's trying to be nice) and over the years of running Aion they proved to players what was said about GF when they took over running Aion was right.


    I am not saying its all down to GF as its not NCsoft played a big part in it, they just did not understand the Wests market when they released Aion like a lot of other games which have been released over the years from Korea, I knew what I was getting into as that's all I ever played is Korean games. But other players Aion maybe was the 1st Korean game they played.


    Its sad GF can not take this on broad trust is a big thing with playerbases of any game, and most everything else in life, if players don't have trust you lose them.


    A love for a game will only go so far before you get up and go.

    There is no way Gameforge would release this with a just a subscription.


    The people that feel attracted to the idea of classic do not want to see a f2p cash shop model, it's the main reason they left this game in the first place.


    So, already doomed to fail. Here was me hoping I'd ever see a proper Aion again.

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    There is no way Gameforge would release this with a just a subscription.


    The people that feel attracted to the idea of classic do not want to see a f2p cash shop model, it's the main reason they left this game in the first place.


    So, already doomed to fail. Here was me hoping I'd ever see a proper Aion again.

    The "classic" version of any game that's not WoW is bound to be pay2win in the long run. You can rest assured it won't be pay2win initially as this would defeat the purpose of classic. Aion classic should be something temporary until greater tittles come out. So you should enjoy it!

    Who knows if GF finally gonna release aion classic here, but if it comes, I really hope they don't slit us between 300 servers, 2 internationals I think gonna be the best chance, fk lenguages and stay all together.

    Wippe

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    Who knows if GF finally gonna release aion classic here, but if it comes, I really hope they don't slit us between 300 servers, 2 internationals I think gonna be the best chance, fk lenguages and stay all together.

    well lets be real here translation was most of the issue why NCsoft west give up on EU it was to much work and EU patches was getting later and later to be released. So they give the game to GF to run and do the translations, even today Gf don't do full translations its to much work. (and what they have translated is not great is it and that's the real server)


    Going back to a classic server the translation was already done for EU via NCsoft west so the translation is done in all teams already.


    Going back to servers I believed at the start and I believe it now the translation was one of the biggest issues with patches so many servers so much translation to be done just for EU when really they should have just kept EU from the start international only.


    But we will see I believe back at the start it was English, French and German, then GF went in and done a lot of other Language.

    I dont know of any other true classic iterations of a retail game other then classic WoW and oldschool Runescape. Both are subscription based games that outperform their retail P2W counterparts. I'd imagine a proper classic Aion would outperform the current retail version as well. Don't underestimate how big Aion has been in the past, it could be an actual gamechanger to have a good classic version of the game. I think it's one of the few games outside of WoW and Runescape that could pull it off.

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    There was still many that left EU when GF took over and this did have an impact, i knew many that left and went and played NA just because of this, so there was an impact on the playerbase when GF took over in EU.

    For me it was the other way around. I was one of those playing on NA servers since the start because I wanted a more english oriented community and because of some friends from other previous game. When Aion turned f2p because NC was almost bankrupt and had to close some other game as well, is when NC decided to give the European rights to some other companies for their main games (L2, Aion). We got the option to opt out with our account to EU servers, something I never did. I knew something about GF but most vocal players advised against GF so I never did. Most players were complaining that Aion EU is a demo game because you need GP play the game, which was half true.


    I was still on NA servers and in like half a year the game was ruined for me. NC had no money to maintain the servers. The website was forever broken and my aion function ceased to exist. Servers had constant crashes or lags. In the game we had to close /3 from our chat because every second there were 3 to 5 spammers and no way to block this fast and others appeared. The solution from NC was not even to combat them, they said to block as many as you can and when they get banned they will remove them from your block list, which was limited to around 128 iirc so it wasn't a solution at all. In the game there was no free spot to farm because it was infested by bots. The pvp was ruined because of blatant hacking in your face and NC did absolutely nothing to those players. Plenty of videos on youtube from that time and nothing was done. The most powerful titles and wings (our No 1 in Aion and others) were sold exclusively in the shop with no way but to spend money yourself to buy them. It was the first sign of p2w because you couldn't compete anymore in arenas without them. The game was advertised as truly free but they started selling prestige packs, giving extra entries and AP, and another reason why f2p pvp players were at a disadvantage because there were extra pvp entries for pvp instances, and also missing AP for ranks. The game started to die rapidly in NA and I was one of those many players who decided to quit. After I left the game turned so bad that they decided on paid transfers, which ruined the servers till today because players went to the biggest factions servers, which is still a thing today.


    After I left Aon I decided to give Aion EU a chance. I was surprised by how cleaner the servers were, of spammers and bots. Most likely due to not being able to trade or spam /3 if you didn't have a GP. The GP was easy to get even as f2p as kinah wasn't hard to farm if you were active. I was surprised by how many players were on EU servers, many more than NA had. Near the end of 2.7 the servers were almost dead, the game was almost dead, so I don't know about guys but f2p and 3.x is when Aion gained the most amount of players and not when the most quit. So long story short, EU servers managed to keep me in the game till around 5.x when I quit for a while, same as in 6.x and most recently 7.x. Until 5.x, we had no titles or wings or other items that weren't attainable with GP, so pvp was a lot more fair than NA. For many years EU servers and publisher was plain better than NA. Even in 5.x when we thought the game was bad we had hero trials, something NA didn't have. EU players were mad because they got their assured apes removed from luna bags, while in NA apes were more scarce and expensive. Even with the 6.x-7.x kinah nerfs, NA didn't address the kinah issue. However, NA managed to do other things right, like transformations and events being plain better since 6.x but both games are plagued by p2w.


    Looking back today, I wish the game was that bad today as they said back then about GF, because you needed GP to unlock the 'demo' game. Tbh I have no idea how the west would receive this 2.7 classic. While today's pvp turned into whoever has more burst damage because everyone's damage got boosted, back then the game was more also imbalanced but slower paced. Any melee like sin or glad vs mr or block cleric was impossible. MR sorc was also pretty much impossible to beat, also their permanent sleeps to render your rs useless. Only cleric was able to beat SM constantly. No way leather had a chance vs templars. Then there was constant godstones. There were so many scenario where you would rather run away from opponents. Today everyone has a chance vs anyone but the damage is too high in pvp and players are too dependent on so many unachievable things (highest transformations, collections, +15 skills, +15 stigmas, cubes, shop pots, weekly gated gear, limited kinah and lots of rng). The gameplay feels more fluid now, as the game should be imo, but it turned bad in many other directions.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

    Maybe in 3months they will tell us whether or not we will have classic server (then a few months again till we have it), and that's very generous estimate considering gameforge is always extremely slow to react.

    I hate stupid people.

    I mean, if they do get it, it shouldnt take 6 months for a release, just throw in the translation thats already there, add/remove a few lines and pop it online. Its quite possible ncsoft gave the go-ahead already and theyre making the patched english version already. In which case we can expect it in a month or two

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    I mean, if they do get it, it shouldnt take 6 months for a release, just throw in the translation thats already there, add/remove a few lines and pop it online. Its quite possible ncsoft gave the go-ahead already and theyre making the patched english version already. In which case we can expect it in a month or two

    We're talking about gameforge, they need months to discuss whether or not they wanna remove the downgrade from transformations fusion.

    Thinking we'll get classic in a month or two is delusional.

    I hate stupid people.

    I don't know... if it keeps going strong in Korea for another month or 2, GF might see the huge financial potential to rush this Classic version in EU... As many said almost no translation needed.

    They can be slow for each new patch, but for an old one with a huge potential to renew/recover a larger community, that would be a mistake. They should ride the wave and see how it goes in EU, not much risk for their dying actual community.