You guys just never really look from the bright side & only complain about the things that aren't perfect.
What bright side? That you can actually progress somewhat every odd month? Now that's what I call steadyly increasing your stats and gear. And those new fragment boxes are pretty much the same.
Far as I'm aware, they increased the rewards you can get with Battlefield coins. Also your Katalam/Dumaha level does not drop so you can easily get high level to buy stuff. A bot just got released that lets you afk farm with your char for insignias.
Come on, it's not as bad as you make it look. 
Remember, they do have to make money somehow to maintain their game after all. Not that i'm defending them. I'm also not a fan of how you can only progress in certain ascepts of the game exclusively during events, otherwise you would need mad amounts of items. e.g. SES enchanting with vs without event.
Kinda get flashbacks from morph recipes, when they patched them overpricey ashell, telling us a shugo gold event will come soon, so it will be balanced out KAPPA. (That it got patched out 4 months after anyway due to 7.5 is no excuse btw)
Nevertheless if those incoming events dont give atleast 50+ fragments in total, you will still need above a year to achieve something, making this feature useless.
In a year we will be near 8.0 and who will farm this long for something that "could" be useless right in the next patch, since we dont know how much alcohol the korean developers consume before creating 8.0.
Just fuel those events with plenty fragments, or it will just be another one of those features u can state about: "oh wdym? Its achievable ingame aswell not only via p2w".
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That's true, but be objective. The S Rank minions were quite available during 7.2 Open World drop event. I fused more than 10 times back then.
However I do agree that some of the key progress points are limited to events and it's frustrating. e.g. Stigma enchantment.
That's true, but be objective. The
S Rank minionsSES were quite availableduring 7.2 Open World drop eventsince 6.x. Ifusedenchanted more than 10times backstigmas to +15 since then
See what i mean? With the difference you can get SES all the time. While minions? Have fun getting them now
Why do you waste your time? this guy is all about himself.
He has S rank minion so S rank minions are fine, he has kaisinel so transformations are fine, he doesn't have +15 stigmas so this is frustrating and needs to be changed.
That's not exactly the case, but we're going off-topic with that. = ))
I'm merely saying that S Minions were available through OW Drop event for over a month. Stigma enchant event also comes up like every few months I believe? So it's not all that bad.
You guys just never really look from the bright side & only complain about the things that aren't perfect.
What bright side is there? the game is dying, gameforge stopped translating the voice or even bug testing patches, players are leaving everyday. Just because there is no reliable way to progress, everything depends on events, rng and cash-shop if not all 3 at the same time, otherwise this game would have 3/4x more population than it has right now.
I have +15 stigmas, S rank minion, basically everything aside from a good transformation, do I think it's fine because i have them? no, because this is an mmo and if i'm the only one playing it then the game is dead.
There is a need for new players/returnees to catch up to all of those systems without spending the price of a lamborghini or waiting for months in hope of a miraculous event that might or might not help them catch up on one of those systems.
There is a need for players to be able to reach their goals without having to win a lottery for it.
There is a need for players to have things to work on to progress.
Gambling is NOT the solution, especially when everything is slowed by artificial weekly/daily/event limitations and the only way to try your luck again if you happened to fail is to pull out the credit card.
It would be acceptable to have those things on the cash shop and have RNG on all the systems if players had a reliable unrestricted way of getting these items through playing, as that would simply be pay to fast. You know, like we had back then with enchantment stones before this holy upgrade serum and apes bs popped up.
Far as I'm aware, they increased the rewards you can get with Battlefield coins. Also your Katalam/Dumaha level does not drop so you can easily get high level to buy stuff. A bot just got released that lets you afk farm with your char for insignias.
You call spending 30 insignia on one single item easily obtainable? How much time do you need to gather 30 insignia? What other items do you need from those vendors and you can't get because you have to spend so much on a single item? Just because something is there, for the illusion that you can get so much stuff, it doesn't mean that in reality you will get that stuff.
Same as with these apostle fragments, as it's just there for false hopes. If you don't have gear > stigmas > daevanion skills all +15, you're wasting your time buying those apostle fragments because it wouldn't improve your situation after 2 years and it will hinder your overall progress. Not even with +15 all of the above it's guaranteed to win an instance. You can't even buy those fragments if you are not geared, as you might get a maximum 1 coin from pvp instances most of the time and that goes toward either weekly enchantment stone, stigma enchantment stones or daevanion books. Those pvp instances take quite some time every single day, time that would be needed to progress elsewhere. This is some tedious work and most of the time you have to pick up one type of progression, as you can't progress in parallel when you don't have the time, and limited instances/resources.
And about promises, we got promised more sources of stuff and less rng when we had instances loot and instances fragments. The opposite has happened so far. Less fragments, no more loot from mobs in instances, less fragments, and more rng overall. Most of the stuff was moved to cash shop. So then, we can already see where the other sources might be. I don't know why this game is getting worse and worse, even for players already having some of the things and progressing towards others.
Come on, it's not as bad as you make it look.
How long do you think it would take for a new player before he's able to play with already geared players (talking about pvp content).
Absolute minimum i would say in order for such player to not be a waste of a slot:
- +12 stigmas (tempted to say improved ones, out of last 20 runats, 75% of enemies i had were with improved stigmas, according to myaion logs)
- atleast one fitting legendary (to be able to actually play)
- rank S minion (10k HP, so you won't get 2 shotted by ppl with improved stigma and cleric will have a chance to heal you)
- Atleast some improved daevanions skills
- Mostly done stats cubes
- Ultimate pvp gear +15, manastones (atleast 1 set)
Without that, i might aswell just go 5vs6 since he would be just giving kills to the enemy team (I know because i often play with someone without improved stigmas and no rank S minion)
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Edit by Zapiel: Off-topic / flaming.
Don't forget: at the current state of the game we shouldn't have apostle fragments there but we absolutely need ultimate transformation fragments.
Same feature, 25 weeks for an ultimate transfo (a little bit faster with event).
I believe nobody (or only a small number) would complain then.
Why not ultimate? Combine them with an one time shop item, so nobody can abuse it with multiple chars. I'm curious about what Galeas will tell us in his news about urgent topics. He announced on discord something will be posted soon
Tbh apostle fragments are fine but not in such scarcity, apostles shouldn't be a 1year long term goal (assuming we get more than just a few from that "event" galeas mentionned), it should be achievable in 3/4 months max.
Display MoreFar as I'm aware, they increased the rewards you can get with Battlefield coins. Also your Katalam/Dumaha level does not drop so you can easily get high level to buy stuff. A bot just got released that lets you afk farm with your char for insignias.
You call spending 30 insignia on one single item easily obtainable? How much time do you need to gather 30 insignia? What other items do you need from those vendors and you can't get because you have to spend so much on a single item? Just because something is there, for the illusion that you can get so much stuff, it doesn't mean that in reality you will get that stuff.
Same as with these apostle fragments, as it's just there for false hopes. If you don't have gear > stigmas > daevanion skills all +15, you're wasting your time buying those apostle fragments because it wouldn't improve your situation after 2 years and it will hinder your overall progress. Not even with +15 all of the above it's guaranteed to win an instance. You can't even buy those fragments if you are not geared, as you might get a maximum 1 coin from pvp instances most of the time and that goes toward either weekly enchantment stone, stigma enchantment stones or daevanion books. Those pvp instances take quite some time every single day, time that would be needed to progress elsewhere. This is some tedious work and most of the time you have to pick up one type of progression, as you can't progress in parallel when you don't have the time, and limited instances/resources.
And about promises, we got promised more sources of stuff and less rng when we had instances loot and instances fragments. The opposite has happened so far. Less fragments, no more loot from mobs in instances, less fragments, and more rng overall. Most of the stuff was moved to cash shop. So then, we can already see where the other sources might be. I don't know why this game is getting worse and worse, even for players already having some of the things and progressing towards others.
keyword: ILLUSION
theres 4 ulti forms already, I dont get why giving one out in a f2p event (no rng) would be so bad? people want the rest of the forms for the collections anyway.
Way too many people are quitting lately out of frustration and I honestly cant see this model being worth it for too much longer.
At this point I think doing a "welcome back event" with ulti form as end reward would actually make profit for them, more so than any RNG muscle AND LUNG CAPACITY INCREASING ulti form random box on the shop
Aion is in intensive care, an apostle event is too late imo.
Fragments should have been included in epic loot months ago even before the disastrous 7.5.
NCSoft look to be trying to integrate the pc and mobile versions so that players can play the same characters on either version but its a mammoth task that might not work so good.
Gameforge on their part have been very slow to react or do anything the players have been asking for, quite the opposite in-fact so it could be too little too late.
Display MoreI performed some research about the apostle fragment boxes that you can purchase for Battlefield Coins.
There are four possible fragments (Yustiel/Triniel/Vaizel/Lumiel) you can get from the box. You can combine 100 fragments of the same type into one contract.
Unless we get any official word that there will be other sources, I will assume that this is their only source for the following calculations and feedback.
Yes, I can already tell you that there will be other sources
Promo events
theres 4 ulti forms already, I dont get why giving one out in a f2p event (no rng) would be so bad?
Because all these 4 ult form are more or less the same. If you have one you wont (prolly) gamble to get it.
theres 4 ulti forms already, I dont get why giving one out in a f2p event (no rng) would be so bad?
Because all these 4 ult form are more or less the same. If you have one you wont (prolly) gamble to get it.
I agree that they are more or less the same but Kaisinel alone can unlock +500 crit or something similar while the others have mediocre collection buffs, if I remember it right.
theres 4 ulti forms already, I dont get why giving one out in a f2p event (no rng) would be so bad?
Because all these 4 ult form are more or less the same. If you have one you wont (prolly) gamble to get it.
I mean yeah of course, im talking about the legendary forms like 10 different ones+irunin, its like 400 attack.
Im just saying at this point im almost sure taking a hit in ult form random box sales for playerbase increase would be worth it.
Its probably too late already though
Good idea for obtaining apostle fragments faster, could be one mission marked [weekly] and working similar like during patch 4.9 or 4.95 (marchutan set): "kill elite monsters in 4 regions". Quest difficulty I think - good. As a reward - box with random or selectable apostle fragments - idk 1 or 2. I think not too annoying for system, and also for players.
