Considering the rates are not so low, a whale can get a +9 rune and odian
Gl with that
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Considering the rates are not so low, a whale can get a +9 rune and odian
Gl with that
I know some whales who bought for over 150k aion coins of rng boxes, I don't think 1000 polishing stones will be their limit
And the rates are still 33% from 5 to 9, so one good lucky streak and you're at +9, the rates are sadly not low enough to avoid that.
On top of that, even if the guy "only" has +7, that's still +9 with a +2 slot, which gives 200+815+650, so 66.5% chance to go through remove shock, considering you basically die in 1stun if it goes through RS, I don't like the odds
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Honestly the green odian should keep the current % dmg reduction while allowing sorcs to use their skills.
The fact that you can't use any skills whilst having that skill active is so ridiculous, I actually was convinced that it was a translation mistake when I first read it
Gl with that
Only cause you had a big chunk of bad luck doesn't mean it's to unrealistic. Basically getting runes to +5 is rather easy cause the rate is >/= 50%. After that it's 33%, which is actually pretty high. People have been proccing 3x 20% to get stigmas from +12 to +15 out of stigma events, so proccing 33% multiple times in a row doesn't seem that impossible. Also we already have someone who's sitting on a +12 effect.
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Bard can litteraly kill a chanter in 1 para combo and have overall way more tools for everything
So tell me how to cover para if dissolution spell is up? Maybe bard seems strong due to para combo but it lacks at defense alot
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If the rates from @Esset23's vid are correct (the ones posted in the video desc), getting from 0 to 9 would be on avg 582 polishing Stones. Also getting contaminated 52 times. There's an chance I might be wrong tho
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Bard can litteraly kill a chanter in 1 para combo and have overall way more tools for everything
So tell me how to cover para if dissolution spell is up? Maybe bard seems strong due to para combo but it lacks at defense alot
Just don't cover para? you simply need to sleep the chanter when dissolution spell is about to end since the last dispel activates 1s before the skill ends.
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Considering the rates are not so low, a whale can get a +9 rune and odian
Gl with that
That wasn't my experience when I enchanted to +5. Now I'm getting worried that rng can be this bad.
Anyway, watching KR players, it seems that +10 is quite usual on runes, with some exceptions:
Some players do have maxed out those enchants.
Speaking of chanters, they seem impossible to kill, and not just the one above. I knew it from before 7.5. I've seen it on KR streams where full geared players couldn't make a dent in their HP, but seeing it live is another story. Clerics are less like that but still hard. I know assassins can be ridiculous, but that's a dps class, while templars can do more damage than a dps class and they are a very hard to kill compared with those dps classes that do less.
The little sense this game had is out of the window. For quite some time gear was more important, then stigmas and improved skills, transformations, collections and minions, now maxed out penetration skills and ridiculous odians. From what I've experienced, we already have assassins on EU that can stunlock from start to end. I guess with time, when players enchant their runes, we will see more like that with other classes, like chanters, templars and probably sorcs. It makes classes even dumber, as no strategy is required anymore, just smash away all those skills and the more skills amplified by penetration runes or odians you have, the better it is.
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+20 effect is a +10 rune on a +2 slot.
If anyone would have a +20 rune the effect would be +46 (or 42, idk anymore) but that's impossible. You'd have higher chances to win euro millions than making a rune +20
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Here is my list. I divide them in group pvp and solo cause they can change the class tier.
how i rate the class is based on how usefull/essencial the class is and how strong it is either in group or solo.
Also considering class @ its max potential ( +15 stigmas etc)
Group:
Tier S- Cleric - SM - Chanter - Gunner
Tier A- Glad - AT - Bard - Sin - Painter
Tier B - Templar (B+ or A-) Ranger
Tier C - Sorc
Solo
Tier Retard - Gunner
Tier S- Cleric - Sin -
Tier A- Glad - Bard - SM A+ - Chanter
Tier B - Templar - AT - Sorc - Painter -Ranger
i dont think there is class C anymore in solo or 1V1. Sorc changed allot with stigmas +15
Some classes i had a few doubts like ranger solo and sin in group. i haven't seen enough match ups to have a 100% certainty of the quality of the class in the many diferent situations possible.
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I'm not sure how you place sorc lower in a group setting than solo/1v1. If anything it's the other way around. But then again, that's your opinion so whatever.
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I'm not sure how you place sorc lower in a group setting than solo/1v1. If anything it's the other way around. But then again, that's your opinion so whatever.
i justified it by the fact that in group sorc has not enough defensive tools / survavility. its ofc a good cc machine if his in a group with single target dps's but those ccs can break easily in runat, or in OW if other groups are around. meanwhile solo it has more tools to deal with 1 or 2 oponents.
If we talking about dps sorc in group its diferent and it would be higher ranked than CC sorc but its my personal opinion that Sorcs are most usefull on a rly good CC sorc that can control not only the oponent but also be a support to his cleric and chanter.
i mean for the overall team potential. sorry for my cripled english, hope you understand, yes its my opinion
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I'm not sure how you place sorc lower in a group setting than solo/1v1. If anything it's the other way around. But then again, that's your opinion so whatever.
i justified it by the fact that in group sorc has not enough defensive tools / survavility. its ofc a good cc machine if his in a group with single target dps's but those ccs can break easily in runat, or in OW if other groups are around. meanwhile solo it has more tools to deal with 1 or 2 oponents. yes its my opinion
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Ulti form bard ranking bard A tier btw.
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The entire balancing has gone to crap a maxed out gladiator with all daevanions and stigmas can rival an assasin in terms of burst dmg (while red berserk is running ofc) while clerics deal more dmg in 1v1 than some dps classes
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I'm not sure how you place sorc lower in a group setting than solo/1v1. If anything it's the other way around. But then again, that's your opinion so whatever.
i justified it by the fact that in group sorc has not enough defensive tools / survavility. its ofc a good cc machine if his in a group with single target dps's but those ccs can break easily in runat, or in OW if other groups are around. meanwhile solo it has more tools to deal with 1 or 2 oponents. yes its my opinion
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Ulti form bard ranking bard A tier btw.
maybe A+
but i dont think it reaches SBtw im not Xer despite the similarity with his name
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The balancing is utter garbage since 6.0, they have no clue what they are doing at all, there is little to no testing to all the changes they bring to skills and every skill patch is hidden behind a p2w wall.
First with 6.0 clown fiesta where chanters were invincible, then 6.5 clown fiesta with AT and clerics being way too broken, into the "very balanced" 7.0 painter, and now improved stigmas bringing way beyond stupid damage on some classes.
Combine it with this ulti form mess that you have no reliable way to obtain, be it by paying or playing, the broken runes and odian skills they just added that litteraly makes no sense for half of the classes to receive such an insane boost while some classes that really deserved good skills got "troll" skills at best.
And you have the mess that is currently aion 7.5 under gameforge.
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The balancing is utter garbage since 6.0, they have no clue what they are doing at all, there is little to no testing to all the changes they bring to skills and every skill patch is hidden behind a p2w wall.
First with 6.0 clown fiesta where chanters were invincible, then 6.5 clown fiesta with AT and clerics being way too broken, into the "very balanced" 7.0 painter, and now improved stigmas bringing way beyond stupid damage on some classes.
Combine it with this ulti form mess that you have no reliable way to obtain, be it by paying or playing, the broken runes and odian skills they just added that litteraly makes no sense for half of the classes to receive such an insane boost while some classes that really deserved good skills got "troll" skills at best.
And you have the mess that is currently aion 7.5 under gameforge.
i think they know what they are doing. and what i mean by that is that the unbalance is on purpose. Example. How many people rerolled painter when it came out? and then rerolled again to gunner etc.
there is stigmas to sell and daeva skills etc to get to +15 i think you understand what i mean. but yes the game is unbalanced for sure -
Glad to see Sorcerer is still the only class that never receives any love from our dear devs (We've been on a streak since 2.0 with back to back nerfs, baby!). Someone there must still be really salty about being stomped in the earliest of days.
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Glad to see Sorcerer is still the only class that never receives any love from our dear devs (We've been on a streak since 2.0 with back to back nerfs, baby!). Someone there must still be really salty about being stomped in the earliest of days.
Oh please, sorc was top tier in 2.x, 3.x, and still really good in 4.x / 5.x despite being very affected by msuppr sets
It's only garbage since 6.0
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Yeah i'd agree that sorc was still broken during 3.x. 4.x not broken but still really good. 5.x didn't play much (only until 5.1-5.3) but i'd say sorc fell a bit more during that time. 6.0+ is big eksdee, class just doesn't fit in this machinegun environment. One would hope they'd get the buffs they need in 8.0 (if we ever get it) but i doubt it, painter is still too new plus sorc needs some thought out changes and NCSoft doesn't care anymore.
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tbh imo up until around 4.0 - 4.6 +/- i think sorc was the one of the strongest class in-game. there is many videos of sorc owning full group in 3.* 4.*
granted there is videos of sm doing just that in 3.*
and templar in 4.*
but overall i think sorc always has been top tier class except maybe around since 5.*
