MyAion DPS meter

Not sure if it's reported already, but since a few days now, legionless players stopped appearing on ranking list in myaion.eu site.

Livo

While I do not mind the core mechanic of the DPS Meter, there are a few ones that I dislike. Mainly the mechanics which are not about damage and such which are basically just data mining, mostly provided for MyAion. To elaborate on a specific few:

Name tracking

This mechanic usually gets justified by tracking scammers. However, changing names is a feature of the game and while it is possible ingame to keep track of name changes to some extend, MyAion goes too far. There are various reasons to change names and DPS Meter as well as MyAion should not play detective on it more than the game itself does.

opt-in / opt-out

MyAion keeps track of players data, whether they want to or not. For example players without the DPS Meter get their gear published by players who are using it. Yet to opt-out of it one has to use that said tool. It should be the opposite. Players that use it should get their gear published, since that is what they want, and the rest should not.

ToS violations

MyAion and DPS Meter violate various sections of the ToS (privacy, data mining, augmenting the game experience and so on). Since those are debateable I am not going into this topic deeply, but the questions remain: the ADDITIONAL GAME RULES tolerate DPS Meters, but is this still just a DPS Meter? does the exception also include MyAion as a service that publishes, analyses, stores and accesses ingame mined data outside the games scope?

Conclusion

The core mechanic to compare rotations and improve oneself is great. However, I dislike that MyAion automatically involves players that did not explicitly consent and forces itself upon them passively. It developed into something like a webcrawler mining data.

• Is it really the job of DPS Meter and MyAion to play detective upon players name changes?
• Is it really the job of MyAion to provide MA-Checks?
• Is it really the job of MyAion to publish character information from everyone in range, whether they want to participate or not?
• Is it really the job of a DPS Meter to label players as cheaters?
• Is it really the job of MyAion to display and log each Dredgion/Tiak/Arena encounter, just because maybe one of all participants has that DPS Meter running?
• Is this still just a DPS Meter or more the mean to uphold MyAion?

Certainly the opinions on this subject differ, but for me this just goes too far and is not about the core mechanic of a DPS Meter anymore.

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MyAion refers to the website and discord publishing and accessing mined data.

DPS Meter refers to the tool providing such data.

Quote from Philine

opt-in / opt-out

MyAion keeps track of players data, whether they want to or not. For example players without the DPS Meter get their gear published by players who are using it. Yet to opt-out of it one has to use that said tool. It should be the opposite. Players that use it should get their gear published, since that is what they want, and the rest should not.

You can disable it without installing the DPS-Meter:

https://myaion.eu/DPSMeter/ChangeLog#0.6.4.9

Then you have to wait for someone with an active DPS-Meter who updates your profile. It should not take long since many using it.

Quote from iduk

You can disable it without installing the DPS-Meter:

https://myaion.eu/DPSMeter/ChangeLog#0.6.4.9

Then you have to wait for someone with an active DPS-Meter who updates your profile. It should not take long since many using it.

Thanks for the information.

Quote from Philine

Is it really the job of a DPS Meter to label players as cheaters?

Then anyone could cheat in order to climb up the ranking. This isn't uncommon, and years ago many well-known players did use cheats to increase their dps while there's no way to compete fairly like this.

Quote from Philine

Is it really the job of MyAion to provide MA-Checks?

Aion's history shows what happens if you can't objectively judge someone. They'll rely on knowing these players or rely on them posting their gear. This results in excluding people who're not known well or those who just have mediocre gear (but who still might be able to compete well). Is this fair? Not necessarily. Not to forget that playing in a group provides some sort of responsibility to do the job. However, we all know that not everyone feels responsible for others playing an MMORPG.

Not to forget, it's always fascinating that people see their game character as a person. Still, it's not one in the first place. Anyone searching the internet will be able to verify it.

Quote from Philine

Players that use it should get their gear published, since that is what they want, and the rest should not.

People can still decline to open their details or fill in the command above as mentioned. Personally, I see no reason to make this a secret in the first place. Maybe it's helpful to surprise your opponent in a concrete encounter, otherwise it's just making a fuss about things.

Certainly, you can argue that tools can be abused or that people might not be able to use them appropriately. I got rejected before as well for wearing blue accessories. I got kicked out for not having kill logs. I still have to debate endlessly because some people don't understand that dps depends on each boss, on time, on the party... But these are still things that can be overcome, and it's still worth more to see how others play and having the opportunity to seriously consider rotations, gear etc. Not to forget that this didn't start with Myaion. It's just the latest result. Before this, other players started with similar websites or rankings - just on a smaller scale. However, this has been a part of Aion for years, and it may as well keep motivating players.

Again with this gdpr and "my" data bullshit.

Quote from Philine

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Conclusion

The core mechanic to compare rotations and improve oneself is great. However, I dislike that MyAion automatically involves players that did not explicitly consent and forces itself upon them passively. It developed into something like a webcrawler mining data.

1. MyAion does not mine any data, the data is already being sent between client and server, MyAion just reads it.
2. There's nothing to consent since you do not own anything from the game except your private data which nobody but gameforge can access.


There is literally no real concerning and based reasoning behind hating the name tracking function unless you do stuff u're shameful about and you want people to forget you.

Quote from Philine

ToS violations

MyAion and DPS Meter violate various sections of the ToS (privacy, data mining, augmenting the game experience and so on)

There is no violation of privacy, already being discussed ages ago here.
There is no data mining.
There is no game augmentation whatsoever by using dps meter.


Can a mod delete these posts already ? Tyvm

Quote from 15TAN

1. MyAion does not mine any data, the data is already being sent between client and server, MyAion just reads and store it.

Slight correction, not that the point change.

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Can a mod delete these posts already ? Tyvm

Unsure why should anyone remove it, it's perfectly on the topic of MyAion, and it's fine to be unsure and ask questions/come to more or less reasonable conclusions

Can you minimize the dps meter to the system tray without having it on your task bar constantly or is that a standard behavior that just doesn't seem to work on my machine?