bann beacuse of name

    Do you think that being assigned a random name instead of being banned indefinetely is a good alternative ? 26

    1. It makes sense to do an automatic name change without the bann (16) 62%
    2. Inappropriately named people deserve to be banned (10) 38%

    I suggest that instead of banning people if you deem their name inappropriate you automatically change their name into something randomly generated and then send them a message to turn to support to work out a gameforge worthy or approved character name.


    The biggest annoyance is the really slow comminication from support since the ticket system places you on the back of the queue when you reply to their reply and i have been banned beacuse of a character name for 7 days counting since i cannot ''quickly'' check if they deem my new name 'ok'. The support replies once a day and some days not even one reply, even if it is not the weekend.

    Depends and can´t be answered overall. Accounts with names in connection to a racist, fascist or inhumane background should be banned instantly and permanently, names whoch are inappropriate, but don´t harm humans could be just taken out and replaced by random names.


    "Underhuman" is btw. a name where I would ban the account for example.

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    Depends and can´t be answered overall. Accounts with names in connection to a racist, fascist or inhumane background should be banned instantly and permanently, names whoch are inappropriate, but don´t harm humans could be just taken out and replaced by random names.


    "Underhuman" is btw. a name where I would ban the account for example.

    I'm gonna go ahead and guess you're from germany. The reason why is i have never before seen or even thought about the translation of my name it was innocent when it was created and I dont speak german so the connection for me was never there. It was shocking to say the least that somebody connected my name with hitler or nazis.

    That being said to me it would be funny even if someone was named hitler ingame and i could defeat them or vice versa. The problem to me is when someone named like that starts rallying people to be racist or starts promoting hate or hate crimes. For me bad words do not exist it is the context and their purpose when used that makes the thing 'evil'. When i have kids i wont let them go around saying cursive words but i do not want to teach them they are bad words what i want to teach them is how they could be understood by others and why and also when it is not appropriate to use some words and why not.

    A simple word 'dense' or 'density' for example means in physics how much mass per unit of volume something has. Innocent word. It can be used tho to bellitle someone or purposefully insult them beacuse it can also mean someone is stupid if used in that kind of context. So in my opinion context is everything and bad words do not exist.

    You know the context behind picking this name, thousands (or more like hundreds) of players who see it in game don't.

    If you need to provide context to claim the name is not "bad word" then you probably shouldn't be using it in place where you have no way of providing such context, like in the username.


    It's silly how you unintentionally offended other players, but keep presenting it as if it was their fault for getting offended, because you didn't meant anything like that. You didn't knew, that's fine, but now that you know, just get over it.

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    You know the context behind picking this name, thousands (or more like hundreds) of players who see it in game don't.

    If you need to provide context to claim the name is not "bad word" then you probably shouldn't be using it in place where you have no way of providing such context, like in the username.


    It's silly how you unintentionally offended other players, but keep presenting it as if it was their fault for getting offended, because you didn't meant anything like that. You didn't knew, that's fine, but now that you know, just get over it.

    I guess i missed you with my point since my point was that bad and good come from context and that there are no ''bad'' words and ''good'' words.


    I also did not assign any blame to anyone for being offended, I have gotten over it and my ingame name is changed. You on the other hand seem quite upset about it where I do not exactly know what your ''it'' that you're upset about is.


    The point of the thread is a suggestion on managing the inappropriate names and i did just that in the original post (the idea is not mine originally but i liked it). The second post was an answer to clarify some things.

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    I'm gonna go ahead and guess you're from germany. The reason why is i have never before seen or even thought about the translation of my name it was innocent when it was created and I dont speak german so the connection for me was never there.

    Thats bullshit and a cheap excuse. If you google the term "underhuman", you get an explanation in english that that term is Nazi-speech, no need to speak german or not.


    I still got no clue why someone would pick that name if not in the connection of its meaning.


    From my point of view things look like this: you picked a name that even for non-germans is problematic on the first view, you got reported, you got punished (for reasons), but you cant take it like a man but start a forum thread to complain how unfair you got treated. No one here would or could help you and support will stick to your ban. End of story. Start a new account with a wiser chosen name or leave AION, thats your options.

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    I am all for a ban. Knowingly or not googling this 2 sec gives u an easy explanation why your name is an issue.

    I personally would even go a step further. Make the people pay for the Namechange. Would eventually fix all this "edgy" and very very troublesome nicknames and makes them less of an issue.

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    I'm gonna go ahead and guess you're from germany. The reason why is i have never before seen or even thought about the translation of my name it was innocent when it was created and I dont speak german so the connection for me was never there. It was shocking to say the least that somebody connected my name with hitler or nazis.

    Doesn't matter.


    There is plenty of names/words that slip through.

    In the end, you agreed to the TOS, so you agreed to not have a harmful name, even if done unknowingly. It falls on to you to make sure you don't have a name that warrants a ban.

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    speaking of names Drestam why didnt he get forced to change his name in here btw ? i think you should fix that too. k thx bye

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    1. You obviously don't know my options.

    2. How would a man take it ? (is it just me or is that a sexist remark ?)

    3. I had never googled the word underhuman before this whole situation

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    I'm gonna go ahead and guess you're from germany. The reason why is i have never before seen or even thought about the translation of my name it was innocent when it was created and I dont speak german so the connection for me was never there. It was shocking to say the least that somebody connected my name with hitler or nazis.

    Doesn't matter.


    There is plenty of names/words that slip through.

    In the end, you agreed to the TOS, so you agreed to not have a harmful name, even if done unknowingly. It falls on to you to make sure you don't have a name that warrants a ban.

    Yeah i've read the ToS which states that you are not entitled to a name. About making sure that you dont have a name that warrants a bann tho - It is completely arbitrary what warrants and what doesnt warrant a ban you cant make a foolproof document on every possible case of 'what is an ok name' (please prove me wrong) hence the rule 'you are not entitled to a name' it is only logical.

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    Quote from Chintsuzai

    I am all for a ban. Knowingly or not googling this 2 sec gives u an easy explanation why your name is an issue.

    I personally would even go a step further. Make the people pay for the Namechange. Would eventually fix all this "edgy" and very very troublesome nicknames and makes them less of an issue.

    I dare you to write a foolproof document which defines troublesome, edgy and acceptable usernames. Many companies would appreciate you for doing it, but IT MUST COVER EVERY POSSIBLE NAME. No room for questions, every name should be defined by the document.


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    i mean why not go a step further and make a program which automatically accepts or denies any username. A bonus or a more complete version would also give an explanation on why the name is not 'acceptable'.

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    The main problem lies in translation and the multicultural server.


    In many countries, unless you've studied a lot of German/World War II history, you've never heard of the word "Untermensch" (which is the Nazi word), which can be translated as "undermen". When the notion of "subhuman" isn't a good one, it can be seen as a joke in Aion context (on a SM, for example, since many people hate them, and could consider then as "low human" as they only have to fear/silence/bind/dot/fear again).


    Also, another question arises... why ban a name like this, and not ban names with sexual connotations? (And not to mention legion names in the top 50 asmo tahabata for example).


    A warning like "this name is inappropriate for XX reasons, change it" and generating a random name and providing a rename ticket should be enough.

    If the second name is again inappropriate, you can start banning...


    This is how all moderation should be applied. First warning. Second soft ban. Third permanent ban. Or at least that's how it's done in other case which are worse than wrong name imo (AP trade, bug abuse..)

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    Quote from Paaprika

    When the notion of "subhuman" isn't a good one, it can be seen as a joke in Aion context (on a SM, for example, since many people hate them, and could consider then as "low human" as they only have to fear/silence/bind/dot/fear again).

    Can? Sure.

    Should? Not.

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    Quote from Paaprika

    When the notion of "subhuman" isn't a good one, it can be seen as a joke in Aion context (on a SM, for example, since many people hate them, and could consider then as "low human" as they only have to fear/silence/bind/dot/fear again).

    Can? Sure.

    Should? No.

    It would be nice if you can offer some explanation. This is an utterly useless response since you dont explain anything but just assert something that you believe as the basic truth.

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    Quote from Paaprika

    When the notion of "subhuman" isn't a good one, it can be seen as a joke in Aion context (on a SM, for example, since many people hate them, and could consider then as "low human" as they only have to fear/silence/bind/dot/fear again).

    Can? Sure.

    Should? No.

    It would be nice if you can offer some explanation. This is an utterly useless response since you dont explain anything but just assert something that you believe as the basic truth.

    Can you as a joke call someone subhuman? Yes, there's nothing aside of common sense and empathy that would prevent you from doing that


    Should you make jokes like that or normalize insulting toward other ppl? No, you should not.

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    Again I believe there is such a thing as context. You can use perfectly innocent words to insult or belittle someone and incite hate. And you can use supposedly 'bad' words to have a perfectly normal debate.

    As for the joke part. Sometimes one of the best ways to get over something is humor. But ofcourse to each their own. Dark humor is amongst my favourite.


    And kind of a food for thought example. If you call your not fat friend - fat he or she will not likely be offended which likely wont be true for someone battling obesity. So again context.