Why is EU classic so nerfed compared to NA?

I gotta agree, the droprates are hilarious.

Let's see 2.0 came out 3 weeks ago.

So it's 42 Udas ID's (in total) and 21 Besh ID's.
(and yes, i've done them all)

We've dropped ->
Udas: 2 gold Necklaces, 2 gold caster earrings, 1 gold melee Earring, No gold Rings, no eternal rings, no eternal earrings, no eternal belt, no gold mres Headpiece, 6 gold debil weapons.

Besh: Eternal - 1 staff, 1 plate chest, 1 plate boots, 1 leather gloves, 1 leather chest, 2 cloth shoulders (ye sure, let's barely get eternal but stuff that's already dropped twice), 2 cloth pants (again..), 1 cloth gloves, 1 chain boots. Gold - In total maybe like 8-10 pieces. 1x Wings.

KKM - all possible ID's, no Gold Weapon
Eso - all possible ID's, no gold armor/weapon

Most of the runs were completely empty. The rewarding factor to do this shit all over again every week is just missing.
But hey, we get Miol-Food for a miol that doesn't even exist!

Why couldn't we keep it like Poeta and get Manastone Bundles in every Boss? The possibilitys to get lvl 60 manastones are almost not existant. Ppl keep socketing lvl 50 stones and i could imagine that a lot of ppl still run Poeta just to get a decent amount of Manastones to barely socket their gear with this absolutely awesome socketingrates...

Yeah awesome socket low lvl manastone with 80% breaks 7x in a row.... wow just wow..

The questions we are all asking is "will Gameforge listen to their players or will they let it slide" ?

Also, Firm Balaur Horn, Lustrous Balaur Meat etc are almost non existant. Whether it's Chantra DD or BTHM, we always get the new heart to buy the level 60 balic plans but if we can't get the rest of the mats to craft something, what even is the point ?

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The questions we are all asking is "will Gameforge listen to their players or will they let it slide" ?

Also, Firm Balaur Horn, Lustrous Balaur Meat etc are almost non existant. Whether it's Chantra DD or BTHM, we always get the new heart to buy the level 60 balic plans but if we can't get the rest of the mats to craft something, what even is the point ?

Ye, we've dropped not even 10 balaur mats in total since patch start.
Not talking about hearts.
Scale,Skin,Blood,Flesh... Balic Crafts are impossible.

If the game was free to play i understand this bs ... but since we are paying to play Game Forge should consider something with the drop rates .. Indeed its really frustrating , i quit few times because of that already ... i love the game but i hate what it has become

Since 1.9 Not a single dagger drop from DP S rank. The open world loot is non existant at this point and the only way to progress is the Legal kinah from hard working players. Not sure how long ill play at this rate it's quite sad

also expert weapon designs barely exist... impossible to progress towards master carved

Double loot or whatever is coming tomorrow. "Lets try to ease the tension" - GF

Gameforge, please apply the NA rates and avoid the 2.5 or 2.7 mess that caused the game to be on life support. The game is good but beside those who buy from bots, you won't have any fair player left at some point unless they are crazy or knows the timer of named monsters since they loot at least.

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I can just say that we have the original rates of AION 2.4, which were provided by NCSoft KR and they were the same for them in this patch. I don't know if this is the same issue that we compare two different versions of the game here, or if NA has indeed different rates than the ones the developer intedended (NCoft KR).

Overall it is important to compare our version with the same version Korea had. Comparing to an other overseas region, like NA, makes no sence in this context, since some settings can be changed for each region like we did with the XP curve. Who knows if they requested higher rates or have a event running for their drops.

The examples you provided were not changed in anyway by GF and are the default values.

~ Sparx ~

PS: If you check the NA Forums you will see more or less the same complains about the overall droprate. I am checking their forum regulary aswell.

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Are you kidding us?

If you "really" read the NA forums and patch notes, you would have noticed that NA had a custom drop since the Korean version is unsuitable for the western version (that was a producer's comment).

They just "forgot" to re-enable this customization in the new patch too - That seems to be the usual incompetence of NCSoft.

And whoever thinks lowering drop rates against bots will help, also believes in Santa Claus.

Aion KR is strong pay2win - that's why the drops have been reduced.

Try Aion NA - there you can trade Kinah and all sorts of drops with Daeva coins via a separate ingame marketplace.

Conclusion: NCSoft wants to have bots in the game that pay Siel's energy and then sell the Kinah farmed to the players for Daeva coins. It's a perfect win-win situation for NCSoft if the players are stupid enough not to realize they get scammed hard.

I have no idea why Gameforge doesn't notice such things. Actually, that can only mean that all employees have absolutely no idea about Aion or they plan to implement the same things in a mid-term sight.

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Double loot or whatever is coming tomorrow. "Lets try to ease the tension" - GF

Gameforge, please apply the NA rates and avoid the 2.5 or 2.7 mess that caused the game to be on life support. The game is good but beside those who buy from bots, you won't have any fair player left at some point unless they are crazy or knows the timer of named monsters since they loot at least.

• [Event] Siel's Instance Drop Boost - more information tomorrow - End: 20.09

So i guess nothing will change in long term and we only get our mouth shut by adding drop boost from time to time...

Sparx

Can you please forward all this to the higher-up? And can you get back to us at some point once you get an answer ?

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• [Event] Siel's Instance Drop Boost - more information tomorrow - End: 20.09

So i guess nothing will change in long term and we only get our mouth shut by adding drop boost from time to time...

eternals, except for tahabata, are not even listed as part of the event

BT isn't even on the list

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Siel

NA: 200% XP, 150% Kinah, 150% AP (from pvp/quests/relics turn in, everything)

Hello,

thats simply a business decision. NA also had different bonuses at the beginning of classic, but raised it after a time to make it more appealing. In my oppinion they did it after they had a huge player loss.

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XP from quests/campaigns:

All the quests and campaigns in EU give much lower XP

You do the mistake to compare different versions of the game. NCSoft KR did multiple changes of certain values of the livespan of aion classic. The leveling-phase got speed up more and more in later patches. Thats why other regions, with a never version of AION Classic, have different settings here. If you would compare the 2.4 settings/xp rewards for the quests they would be the same like ours.

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XP needed to level:

The exp needed to level is much higher in EU, for example to get out of Poeta you need a boring grind for 1-2 hours after doing all the campaigns, what's the point of this?? Level 48-50 the same, 53-55 the same. This is very discouraging towards leveling alt characters.

Thats someting GF changed, yes. GF started with a x1.5 higher XP curve and this change is still live for AION Classic 2.0. This might be changed in the future, but I am not able to tell you if and when.

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DROPRATES:

Now this is disgusting, (just like back in retail) EU droprates are insanely low.

In NA you drop stormwing wings almost every run, sometimes 3-5 eternals in one run, decent rate of weapons, in EU.. you are lucky to see 1 eternal part in a few runs and almost no golds.
Anuhart boss (last one before Taha) in Dark Poeta, in NA it drops the gold sword and/or belt every time, I haven't seen that even once in EU yet.
Lower Udas: accessories/armor/weapons are almost non-existent, in NA you drop a gold weapon almost every run, sometimes along golden accessories. The kinah box also has a lot more.
Relics: KKM/ESO are almost a waste of time with the ridiculous drops.

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I can just say that we have the original rates of AION 2.4, which were provided by NCSoft KR and they were the same for them in this patch. I don't know if this is the same issue that we compare two different versions of the game here, or if NA has indeed different rates than the ones the developer intedended (NCoft KR).

Overall it is important to compare our version with the same version Korea had. Comparing to an other overseas region, like NA, makes no sence in this context, since some settings can be changed for each region like we did with the XP curve. Who knows if they requested higher rates or have a event running for their drops.

The examples you provided were not changed in anyway by GF and are the default values.

~ Sparx ~

PS: If you check the NA Forums you will see more or less the same complains about the overall droprate. I am checking their forum regulary aswell.

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You are partialy right only.

EU had ok rates before gelk/ingi, actualy it still has ok rates for under 50 content.

I ll try to explain on UT/LUT, those rates that we curently have are korean 2.4, elite mobs in UT/LUT drops nothing, mostly gray 1k worth items, white gear wich sells for 100k lets say and mobs drops 3k kinah. That kinah drop is not from each mob wich singnals that rates are pretty low, proly its ment to counter bots but side effect is that game feels not rewarding and population of players will reduce for sure.

We had this scenario when 2.4 came to NA, same rates as in EU, people quit. Then Nsoft saw and made 10x better drops, mobs were droping not 3k then 30k kinah, you could see alot of white stones, white sellable gear, like 5 green manastones per UT clear, like 2-3 fabled drops. People came back to game and was very alive before 2.5 wich rewerted drops and game died.

EU server economy is in big trubles cuz of drop rates and also bad mistake of making siege rewards untreadable, instead of small inflation wich is normaln with new patch we are facing deflation.

So basicly we have decent drop rates for under 50 lvls and korean "antibot" rates for 55. We will face server merge pretty sooon if GF doesnt fix it. And if they implement 2.5 with korean rates game will be in serious problems.

has there ever been an official statement that the low drop rate is supposed to fight bots?