Classic = same way as Retail ( soon empty )

  • Classic servers are actually doing pretty great, even when removing the bots! We are also at the end of the actual update so of course many players won't be back before 2.0.


    Regarding DPS Meter, I can understand why some people don't like it. It is sad that it can be used to refuse people but it is also a useful tool that can allow someone to see what needs to be changed in order to perform more. That second part is the main reason we tolerate those.

    DPS meter is good to improve ur self but ofc it should be used as ur own gain not by harrasment other players! That should be equal to an ban its still a 3rd party tool program..

  • That should be equal to an ban its still a 3rd party tool program..

    while yes, indeed, it is a third party tool, it does not give you any advantage in game.

    in this case, discord, mumble, TS should be forbidden, as they are third party tool allowing you to communicate with other players.

    OBS or any streaming tool, too, as technically speaking, it is a 3rd party tool.


    And i can go on, the list is long.


    imo, the 3rd party tool rule is for any software giving you a clear & unfair advantage in game (no anim, no fly, botting etc)


    not by harrasment other players!

    it has nothing to do with DPS meter and everything to do with the mentality of the players.


    (and tbh, if it is forbidden to use it, players will just stop linking them in game, that's all, as I don't think GF has any way to check if someone is using it in real time)

  • and asking the player for the gear was not better.

    It's worse, in fact. You can somewhat compensate +10 through manastones, play style and vice versa, but there is no such thing if people only rely on weapons etc.


    People don't necessarily use DPSmeters wisely, but they are indeed useful. Furthermore, even "bad" players currently run around with their Tahabata gear. The instances are not as challenging, and so you don't even have to learn weaving or a decent rotation to participate. Compared to other patches, this is indeed nothing worth mentioning.

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  • DPS meter is amazing project, its not rejecting players its showing what they actually are behinds the shadow.
    For example : When Im asking I want GG assassin in my group and some one with SR gear app what i have to do? ppl cant realize what party leader wants and just clicking "app" all the time and you coming here and talks about discrimination? do I have some obligation to boost some lower power player?
    everyone made his DPS meter profile state high by its own. so you have to do it to . You have to step by step increase your character power . expect this you coming and want to enter in group where players already walked that way and got them character stronger and you want to cover your silly power to them high power? is it right?

    as I see only lower power players are cry about DPS meter .
    If you wants to get high power player you have to walk some steps DPS meter is like recorder of your steps and when you get high power others will see it.

    I remember in past when there was no database we was asking players to hit 5 minute training dummy and counting dps on it , if player was made minimum dmg of requirement by the group leader he could join the party. New DPS meter databases fixed this stupide situation . Now players even know that they dont have to chill when hitting the boss because everything is counting.

    GG DPS meter project guys you are amazing

    Playing this shit Since 2010, As always and forever !!
    Asmodian General : "BonJovi"
    Good Elyos is Dead Elyos

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    DPS meter for an S rank/Stormwing Rush ok but for a mere DP A/Adma? and link wep, when the purpose is to get gear/wep and switch that Grogi Gear with a better one. Some of us do not have a credit card or bot army backing us. Btw some people just use it to humiliate others and not to teach them in a polite manner, that is very toxic.

  • DPS meter for an S rank/Stormwing Rush ok but for a mere DP A/Adma? and link wep, when the purpose is to get gear/wep and switch that Grogi Gear with a better one. Some of us do not have a credit card or bot army backing us. Btw some people just use it to humiliate others and not to teach them in a polite manner, that is very toxic.

    same with all the pvp sessions.

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    DPS meter for an S rank/Stormwing Rush ok but for a mere DP A/Adma? and link wep, when the purpose is to get gear/wep and switch that Grogi Gear with a better one. Some of us do not have a credit card or bot army backing us. Btw some people just use it to humiliate others and not to teach them in a polite manner, that is very toxic.

    I got your point but its far less damage than its have profit ) on earth there is nothing what only have one side and its "good" side. everything have both good and bad side. its matter how much they are

    Playing this shit Since 2010, As always and forever !!
    Asmodian General : "BonJovi"
    Good Elyos is Dead Elyos

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    DPS meter for an S rank/Stormwing Rush ok but for a mere DP A/Adma? and link wep, when the purpose is to get gear/wep and switch that Grogi Gear with a better one. Some of us do not have a credit card or bot army backing us. Btw some people just use it to humiliate others and not to teach them in a polite manner, that is very toxic.


    DPS meter is the most useful tool ever made for mmo-rpgs, Aion included. Absolutely legal to use. Not only when i run DP S or Stormwing, I always check DPS info about a player even for stupid Udas.


    There are plenty of players online and why would i take someone who is not on the same level (skill/gear wise) as me? It is simply to guarantee a quality and to avoid any unnecessary problems or delays with instance. And to quarantee that this player is not a noob and will not waste my time.


    Argument "Why we need to link weapon when we actually GO here for a weapon?"

    -Well we all had to start somewhere. You can run instances with ungeared newbies like you, and dont waste a time of someone who already did that and is better geared.


    In life, when you start doing ANY sport, ANY business or whatever. You always start with people on the same level. You wont play League of Champions when u just started playing football few weeks ago.


    You wont run with really good geared players when you just installed aion few weeks ago.


    It makes sense. If you HAVE dps, then u have nothing to hide. If you SUCK, then you cant expect GG players to take you into instances. Simple as that. Fair


    EDIT: To me, it is extremely selfish, ignorant and bad behaviour to want go to instance/dredgion with much better geared and way more skilled players. You should stick to players who are as good as you and as geared as you. Simple


    EDIT 2: WAYY BIGGER problem i face from tiem to time is "GG ONLY" parties recruiting in lfg, while all of them suck hard, no gear and no skill at all. That should be bannable. They wasted my time so many times. I ALWAYS WANT TO LINK WEAP AND SHOW DPS to avoid these scammers joining my group.


    ITS ABOUT PREVENTION AND SAVING TIME


    AND IT IS VERY TOXIC TO BLAME THOSE (ACTUALLY) GEARED AND SKILLED PLAYERS

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  • My 5 cents and personal experience, which is no indicator for an neutral view on the whole situation:


    Actually bringing up my third twink for 2.0 and had only Brigadier Indratu campaign and Operation Drakenhammer campaign left, the 2 campaigns, where you need some preparation (pre-mobs, quest port or run, etc.). I play on Tahabata elyos and started to look for first campaign quest at around 10:00 am on a monday. Got group full with all needed classes for both campaign quests within few minutes and had to send people away who asked for group because we were full or needed special class for last slot. Both last campaign quests done before dredgion at 12:00 am.


    Dead? Don´t know. Guess it smells funny, but isn´t dead already.

  • And to quarantee that this player is not a noob and will not waste my time.

    I think there is indeed a limit to reasonable demands. Looking for highly experienced players on the second day of a patch is sort of ridiculous. In my opinion, someone's potential isn't limited to their current gear, it's a matter of attitude. Maybe you can compensate a questionable rotation with gear, I won't deny this, but if you just look at this in case of a static you might not be able to proceed at one point. Once the dps really becomes important (which hasn't been the case really yet).

    Furthermore, you can have "okay" dps and still behave like a jerk if you have zero awareness for your party. I've seen this quite a few times. Like two sorcerers dying 50m ahead, behind you the ranger is dead because he wanted to do a mob by himself, and currently you're healing the tank doing some other stuff. This is what I consider zero awareness. Then I might really consider one of these sleeping pill tanks, doing everything in order. Some sort of balance has to be maintained to have a party work, actually.


    For stuff like DP-A I do check dpsmeters so I can get an idea whether said person has been in there before, but I don't expect it to fail even if that's not the case. Furthermore, everyone has multiple characters nowadays, so you can't be sure how experienced someone is. However, I do notice people assuming that others are worse, judged by gear or whatever automatically. That's too simple.

    EDIT: To me, it is extremely selfish, ignorant and bad behaviour to want go to instance/dredgion with much better geared and way more skilled players. You should stick to players who are as good as you and as geared as you. Simple

    I do think it's important to judge yourself properly, and therefore avoid applying to "pvp gear" groups if you don't have that gear. Just like I agree that everyone should do their best to reach the goal smoothly if you join a party. But I do think that it depends on the instance, the group constellation etc. whether it's appropriate to join or not.

    For example, if you want to play very lazily without scrolls or without any interest to improve... do it with people who have the same mindset. That I agree on. But I don't really think there's a need to differentiate a lot for simple instances, especially if everyone is still somewhat interested in the loot.


    I don't think it's very interesting to see weapons, considering you can compensate them with manastones etc. to some extent. Therefore, I wouldn't ask for them. DPS and rotations are way more interesting.


    For me, it was always interesting to join various parties, no matter if I had much more gear than they had.


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    Generally speaking, I have seen many players in Aion who were able to deal lots of dps despite their gear. Just like I see some e50 Tahabata guys in this thread too who obviously have some issues weaving cleanly. I mean, just like you can somewhat compensate less gear with skill, you can compensate less skill with gear. It has always been like this. But... being aware of it is recommended instead of looking down on people based on gear or seniority.

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  • When they start their talk on maxed stats/numbers on Discord for example I get sick, like where is the game/fun like its some min-max robot work. "If you get this you get extra +5 some stat". If you get what I mean.

    Well, I think "fun" is a term that everyone defines very differently regarding Aion. For me, it's fun to improve, to see others improve together with you. Then others think PvE is junk in general, or they think it's just fun to play together casually. All of this isn't considered "right" or "wrong", but we have to consider what sort of believes we can push onto others in a game or when it might not be suitable. E.g., I do think it's reasonable to discuss how to improve if you can't manage to finish something because there is not enough damage. Then you can analyze what you can change easily, what's more difficult to adjust etc. to find a solution. On the other hand, I do consider it ridiculous to expect very good stats for simple content that's not completed with fewer people or just for selling stuff (so it's expected people at least have the gear or similar stuff).


    I'm not sure if you're rather referring to retail or classic, though. On retail, there are very huge differences nowadays.

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