"It will be worth farming monsters"

    Quote from Edeus
    Quote from iduk

    That person had no luck or was simply lying OR you just write stuff that you made up. Me and my friends farmed for the past days multiple hours Calydons and some of them had kinah cap after several hours (3-5). When I am lucky I made ~400k/h, if not ~200k/h. And I play chanter. A class not known for their high DPS on support. More or less the slowest class for farming.

    Thats a lie. Do a video and show me 2h of farming and selling.

    before:

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    after:

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    Items sold to the NPC:

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    • <Storm Spellbook>
    • <Angel's Ruby Necklace>
    • <Angel's Diamond Earring>
    • <Sunset Staff>
    • <Dispelling Sapphire Ring>
    • <Storm Sapphire Ring>
    • <Storm Plate Gauntlet>
    • <Storm Tunic>
    • <Storm Leather Belt>
    • <Noble Calydon Tusk> x52
    • <Manastone: Attack +5>
    • <Manastone: Crit Strike +9>
    • <Manastone: MP +55>
    • <Manastone: MP +50>
    • <Manastone: Accuracy +14>
    • <Premium Armour Flux> x3
    • <Tough Rawhide> x40
    • <Premium Accessory Flux>
    • <Master Premium Armour Flux>
    • <Expert Premium Weapon Flux>
    • <Calydon Meat> x112
    • <Major Rally Serum> x8
    • <Major Focus Agent> x9


    First, yes I was a bit lucky today and on top I morphed 4 times Amalil if you want to take these small breaks into account. So calling me a liar is simply not right. When I can farm 200k-400k on average, others can do that too. On top support chanter is the worst class for farming...


    Just want to show that the claim "3h for 140k" is simply not true. You have to be super unlucky for that or they were afk 60% of the time.

    Quote from YPK

    NB: Never said this Aion Classic is the same as the original Aion, way too easy to grind now & alot of different stuff, bosses may have been nerfed or it's way too easy to get fat stuff (not to mention the full gold on steel rake at 44 i mean Srly ! this stuff is nuts ) & my memory is very good, it would have taken u ages to drop this kind of stuff in the old ages where it was group dungeon. Whatsoever, the drop rates are better the way they are in this version than in the original Aion, where u could just be bilionaire by farming. The gear is supposed to be hard to get, the special stigmas are not meant to be in your slots day 1. Let the game be a bit difficult if not for the easy dungeons.

    Farmed at theobomos (not calydons) for about 2h , left with 700k of items, doing just regular quests.

    Not only are you wrong on almost everything you wrote but you also contradict yourself.

    First the parts you are wrong about:

    - It is easier to grind now when it comes to gameplay - mobs are not elites and we have better gear (SR) but it is NOT more -REWARDING- now than it ever was. It might be "easier" in combat but it is definitely not rewarding at all and people complain about the rewarding part not the "hard" part.. In fact it would be better if mobs were left as elites and hard but also rewarding as it once was..

    - The drop rates are not better in this current classic version than they were in the OG 1.9 patch, you are just wrong here I'm sorry. You are remembering it wrong. There is evidence proving you wrong here and in few google searches easily.

    -"The gear is supposed to be hard to get" yes, and now it is hard to get as well? How do you assume you are going to socket and enchant your abyss gear with our current economy?

    -"The special stigmas are not supposed to be in your slot in day 1" Yes they are? We had stigma tuner NPC even in 1.5? There was never a problem with lack of stigmas, you reach lvl 45 and you can instantly buy bestial fury/recovery spell etc from the stigma NPC for a fraction of the cost that we have now, while you had 10 times more kinah..

    And then you say:

    "the drop rates are better the way they are in this version than in the original Aion, where u could just be bilionaire by farming" ??? Make up your mind you say we have it easier now but then you say you could be billionare by just farming before?

    Quote from Shira

    You are also not supposed to be level 50 in 2-3 days, but since they made it like this, then it makes sense that they should adjust the rest as well, they can't get you up this fast and not change your skills/gear/kinah acquisition as if we were just fresh out of Poeta.

    As for you guys who compare the leveling speed - this is absurd. Yes leveling was slower before but you are trying to make it seem like this is the only reason why we have this economy and its the players fault for leveling too fast... No. That is BS. Yes we are killing less mobs and doing less blue quests than we would normally do HOWEVER that isn't the reason we have a nyerked economy at all. Quests were NEVER the main source of income, drops were - blue/green/trash drops that you sell to NPC. Sure you might see more of them if you kill more mobs, but oranges to oranges comparison from OG aion and classic yields massive difference in drop rates even for the same amount of mobs..

    Just go test it in any of the farm areas (calydons, balaurs etc) at lvl 50. Ignore leveling speed. Test the same spot and you'll see you get 10x less drops than before and the small amounts of them you do get.... you sell for 10x less money at the NPC. Meanwhile flat costs of all NPC services remain unchanged, and THAT is the problem.

    Its not the players fault for "being too soft" or "wanting too much" that is absurd self-righteous statement. Not to mention leveling in Aion SUX and its boring af, idk why people wanna spend more than 1 hour in Verteron, I was ready to cut wrists at that part...

    Quote from Protecc
    Quote from YPK

    test it in any of the farm areas (calydons, balaurs etc) at lvl 50. Ignore leveling speed. Test the same spot and you'll see you get 10x less drops than before and the small amounts of them you do get.... you sell for 10x less money at the NPC. Meanwhile flat costs of all NPC services remain unchanged, and THAT is the problem.

    As for you guys who compare the leveling speed - this is absurd. Yes leveling was slower before but you are trying to make it seem like this is st go

    You misunderstood my point, I'm with you on this, I meant to say they changed the game to make us level up this fast, but didn't adjust the rest to make up for the lack of kinah, stigmas etc as a result of not having time to progress at the original 1.x speed. We are level 50 but poorer than a level 5

    Quote from Protecc

    Its not the players fault for "being too soft" or "wanting too much" that is absurd self-righteous statement. Not to mention leveling in Aion SUX and its boring af, idk why people wanna spend more than 1 hour in Verteron, I was ready to cut wrists at that part...


    how silly is that?


    let us play a game we do not like. let us play a korean grinder while we do not like grinding. now, we do not like the game because it is too grindy. it is boring af and none likes to spend more than one hour in verteron. instead of choosing another game, since this is clearly not the game we enjoy, we ruin the game for everyone else and claim that none could impossibly enjoy it.


    way to go..

    Quote from Philine

    how silly is that..


    let us play a game we do not like. let us play a korean grinder while we do not like grinding. now, we do not like the game because it is too grindy. it is boring af and none likes to spend more than one hour in verteron. instead of choosing another game, since this is clearly not the game we enjoy, we ruin the game for everyone else and claim that none could impossibly enjoy it.


    way to go..

    I don't know how you came to this conclusion and at this point I am too afraid to ask.


    You can bring the korean grinder argument, but the game was a korean grinder back then too and it was arguably more grindy.


    Just for arguments sake can you include when you started playing this korean grinder game?



    "Off-topic" note: I think my friend quit today, because of economy :(

    Quote from Protecc

    "The special stigmas are not supposed to be in your slot in day 1" Yes they are? We had stigma tuner NPC even in 1.5? There was never a problem with lack of stigmas, you reach lvl 45 and you can instantly buy bestial fury/recovery spell etc from the stigma NPC for a fraction of the cost that we have now

    Wrong. The stigma merchants were part of the 1.9 Update. The release version 1.5 did not have such NPCs. In the first months we had to grind for them, like it is now. Just to correct false informations :)


    I would appriciate to have these NPCs aswell, but I doubt we will get them.

    -- Before quoting people, please learn to read first, than analyse & understand what's written , might help you in the future. --

    Quote from Philine

    how silly is that?


    let us play a game we do not like. let us play a korean grinder while we do not like grinding. now, we do not like the game because it is too grindy. it is boring af and none likes to spend more than one hour in verteron. instead of choosing another game, since this is clearly not the game we enjoy, we ruin the game for everyone else and claim that none could impossibly enjoy it.


    way to go..

    The game was always a korean grinder and we didn't have any of our current issues back then and nobody complained about them or game being "too hard" in general..

    You are free to enjoy whatever you want you can keep playing with slowmotion attack speed and no pots/scrolls/skills/stigmas/kinah for 3 months if you want, for the normal people yes I say thats objectively boring. Similar to how you wouldn't enjoy watching women football compared to men's. You just wanna play/watch a sport/game at the highest level not be artificially limited in what you do.


    How is me pointing out obvious design flaws ruining the game for you, explain? Why does this bother you. Because in my head I want the game to be good and it will never be if nobody point out its flaws. I already see friends quitting because of economy.

    Quote from Shira

    You misunderstood my point, I'm with you on this, I meant to say they changed the game to make us level up this fast, but didn't adjust the rest to make up for the lack of kinah, stigmas etc as a result of not having time to progress at the original 1.x speed. We are level 50 but poorer than a level 5

    Ah yes yes I got it. When I wrote "you" I meant it more as in "you guys" because I see the leveling speed argument a lot and I just used your reply to talk about this statement a bit not answer you specifically, I didn't make myself clear enough sry.

    It is pointless to discuss how retail was and how people remember it. We used to live in caves, shall we go back to that? We should discuss how this Aion Classic should be.


    As I see it, the path is pretty much set by NcSoft korea which are some patches ahead of us and everything we complain about here is not going to influence the game for a long while. As I read the patchnotes of 2.7, the road is similar to the current retail. Like again removing existing content, totally removing open world (drops sell for 1 kinah) and implementing random loot boxes.


    This is not the Aion we used to have in 2009 and it is never going to be that game again, like we are shown perfectly. So I recommend to enjoy the next two somewhat nostalgic patches as long as you can and see after what you get or keep the actual Aion from 2009 in good memory and not play Aion Classic at all.

    Soul Sickness and droprates are just a joke. You cant even pay SS while leveling. It should be reduced, at least, four times its price.

    Blaming Korea for all this is meaningless, it doesn't matter who makes the game or sets the rules, as customers, here, the responsibility to deliver a product we pay for lies in Gameforge, the company we pay to. If the provider for the service they sell can't provide whey they need, then they simply shouldn't sell it (aka close the servers, refund everyone and be done with it).

    Are you guys serious who are saying that less kinah is better or are you just trolling?
    Or one of the whales that making kinah by selling shop items?
    How making less kinah would be good when the price/cost of everything from npc shops to skill vendor prices , soulsickness and so on did not change at all, while the drops and selling price of items got nerfed into hell?

    Gameforge said we will have OW drops, did they mean tough hide and grey junk items?

    This is the last time i respond to such mental replies because some of you truly just trolling or have 0 idea what are you talking about and just love to be right when we are stating facts of how was game in 2010 and why things are really bad now.

    Quote from Angel

    It is pointless to discuss how retail was and how people remember it. We used to live in caves, shall we go back to that? We should discuss how this Aion Classic should be.


    As I see it, the path is pretty much set by NcSoft korea which are some patches ahead of us and everything we complain about here is not going to influence the game for a long while. As I read the patchnotes of 2.7, the road is similar to the current retail. Like again removing existing content, totally removing open world (drops sell for 1 kinah) and implementing random loot boxes.


    This is not the Aion we used to have in 2009 and it is never going to be that game again, like we are shown perfectly. So I recommend to enjoy the next two somewhat nostalgic patches as long as you can and see after what you get or keep the actual Aion from 2009 in good memory and not play Aion Classic at all.

    If this is true then this classic will be same like retail aka whale version of Aion, in few months some players will stay while most will leave and never look back.

    Quote from Shira

    Blaming Korea for all this is meaningless, it doesn't matter who makes the game or sets the rules, as customers, here, the responsibility to deliver a product we pay for lies in Gameforge, the company we pay to. If the provider for the service they sell can't provide whey they need, then they simply shouldn't sell it (aka close the servers, refund everyone and be done with it).

    Also blaming Gameforge is meaningless. Unless you're the only one right and everybody else is wrong.

    And yes, NCSoft has much more power than Gameforge does, but you don't know how these contracts work so you only look for the easier target to point your finger to. And if you want the server closed, leave and see you not, 'cause many other people want to keep playing.

    Quote from Epidemic
    Quote from Shira

    Blaming Korea for all this is meaningless, it doesn't matter who makes the game or sets the rules, as customers, here, the responsibility to deliver a product we pay for lies in Gameforge, the company we pay to. If the provider for the service they sell can't provide whey they need, then they simply shouldn't sell it (aka close the servers, refund everyone and be done with it).

    Also blaming Gameforge is meaningless.

    There is meaning, we are paying for this service.

    Quote from Epidemic

    Don't quote only what works best for you. You forgot this part.

    Quote from Epidemic

    And yes, NCSoft has much more power than Gameforge does, but you don't know how these contracts work so you only look for the easier target to point your finger to.

    It doesn't matter how the contract works, as the end-customer we are paying Gameforge, not NCSoft or any other company, it's their responsibility to deliver a working product.

    Quote from Shira
    Quote from Epidemic

    Don't quote only what works best for you. You forgot this part.

    Quote from Epidemic

    And yes, NCSoft has much more power than Gameforge does, but you don't know how these contracts work so you only look for the easier target to point your finger to.

    It doesn't matter how the contract works, as the end-customer we are paying Gameforge, not NCSoft or any other company, it's their responsibility to deliver a working product.

    And it is working. It just doesn't work as you expected it to work. If you don't like it you can always make a concious descision to stop playing and paying.

    On my end as an F2P Player, i would suggest that, atleast remove the restriction on collection of "Green/Superior" grade for them.


    As this would allow a better circulation of Stigma's and Manastone's.


    Plus it would be somewhat helpful as some instance-only items like Instance Drop Skills are atleast "Green/Superior" grade, like the one in Haramal called "Odium Bomb" (there are even higher grade Instance Drop Skills, so if possible i suggest that you make an exception on collection of certain items regardless of grade for F2P players, or else it would make it hard for quest or instance completion especially in future patches).

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    Quote from neon208

    And it is working. It just doesn't work as you expected it to work. If you don't like it you can always make a concious descision to stop playing and paying.

    Very constructive. And then you'll wonder why is the server empty again. Because of people like you telling them to quit instead of us figuring a solution together. This problem obviously stops a lot of people from enjoying the game. It might not matter to the fringe minority you belong to, but that doesn't mean it ain't a serious issue.


    But you are right, I might as well just quit for now until a fix comes or forever if it doesn't come. Ain't nobody got the time to grind hours per day for 1 month in order to afford soulsickness and basic class stigmas.

    Quote from Protecc
    Quote from neon208

    And it is working. It just doesn't work as you expected it to work. If you don't like it you can always make a concious descision to stop playing and paying.

    Very constructive. And then you'll wonder why is the server empty again. Because of people like you telling them to quit instead of us figuring a solution together. This problem obviously stops a lot of people from enjoying the game. It might not matter to the fringe minority you belong to, but that doesn't mean it ain't a serious issue.

    But you are right, I might as well just quit for now until a fix comes or forever if it doesn't come. Ain't nobody got the time to grind hours per day for 1 month in order to afford soulsickness and basic class stigmas.

    I'm not against changes but right now I see people over exaggerating things. The man who started the thread literally said "If the provider for the service they sell can't provide whey they need, then they simply shouldn't sell it (aka close the servers, refund everyone and be done with it)". It's not a solution.

    It's not hard to get enough kinah from crafts (especially crafts), quests and world drops to afford stigmas or stones. You won't be unfathmobly rich but you can make ends.I don't know why people are so fixated on sould sickness, it does not matter if you hit 50.

    I'd wager more people will leave due to boredom and wish GF would just release uncut 2.+ version istead of this.